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Let's talk about Alexis (and his contract)

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by bobo_97, Nov 27, 2016.

  1. TheBear

    TheBear Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. And just basic supply and demand. Arsenal can charge 2k for a Season ticket because there's more than enough people willing to pay that money. If people stop buying I guarantee the prices would drop.
     
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    StanDMan Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    normal people (fans) are adversely impacted.

    as the saying goes "Nobody cares, if a Nobody - lives or dies"!!
     
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  3. TheBear

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    For sure, but it's not a problem limited to football.
     
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  4. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    I think the mega rich owners have got a lot to answer for. People like Abramovich basically skewed the whole market in the UK, with Chelsea suddenly willing to pay twice as much as the going transfer rate and double the wages on offer anywhere else.

    Once that happened, as I say it was like opening a Pandoras box and the bar was set for increasing transfer fees and wages. It's only then normal, that agents would start trying to get those sorts of figures for their best players and following suit, clubs have raised prices and pushed commercial revenue

    That alongside massive TV deals to sell the rights worldwide have ensured that massive amounts of money has flowed into the game. It's not the fault of the players that they are paid big sums, in fact Wenger lobbied hard for players to get good wages, and as I mentioned, seeing as the players are the key component in the game, it's only fair that they should get a big slice of the pie.
     
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  5. StanDMan

    StanDMan Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    You are biased.
    Roman didn't hike the player price & wages.

    He just added competition to money bags Manu and broke their monopoly of the market .
    Competition will increase the Demand thus the price.

    Before Roman came along - Italian clubs & Spanish Clubs were doing that for ages.
     
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    Like **** he didn't. Transfer fees and wages in the UK basically doubled overnight the moment Abramoich started throwing his money around.
     
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    Bodinki You're welcome Forum Moderator

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    The **** did Abramovich have to do with wages?
    Our wages were the going rate for those players at the time.
    In fact some players took a pay cut to play for us.
    Crespo was earning far less with us than he was at Lazio AND Inter, his two previous clubs.
    Veron was earning less with us than he was at Man United too.
    Also, United bought Rio Ferdinand for £30m in 2002, took Roman 5 years to match that amount when he bought Shevchenko in 2007.
    So you are talking bollocks.
     
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    StanDMan Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    exactly - Roman just stood up to Money bags Manu.
    Roman didn't start any of these craziness <ok>
     
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  9. Bodinki

    Bodinki You're welcome Forum Moderator

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    Roman spent alot because he bought a lot of players.
    And he did pay over the odds in transfer fees, because other clubs were holding us to ransom, because they knew he was loaded.
    But as far as I am aware, the players wages, per player, at that point were the going rate.
     
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    Abramovich skewed the whole landscape of football. Yes Utd may have paid one or two players big wages, but they were in a position where they could afford it. When Roman came along he simply paid over the odds (sometimes double) for players who would otherwise have been sold within the normal parameters of the transfer structure. Wages went through the roof and Chelsea were posting massive operating losses for years. It was the reason why they brought in FFP, because Chelsea were skewing the figures out of all proportion. Not only that but Chelsea also bought players simply to prevent them from signing for rivals, and then ended up loaning them out because their squad had swelled so much. It was a grotesque approach to create a winning team.
     
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    Bodinki You're welcome Forum Moderator

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    What does that have to do with wages?
    Our wage bill went through the roof yes, because we all of a sudden had a squad of world class players.
    but they were each paid the going rate for a world class player, and we posted losses because we needed time for our profile and marketability to catch up with the quality of the squad (which it eventually did).
    The rivals thing is pure bollocks, where is your proof of this. Or is this just because we prevented the romantic thought of Ian Wrights son playing for Arsenal? Was it our fault he turned out to be ****? If he was good, he would have played.

    FFP was too little too late, and is a monstrous regulation. It's basically saying "Ok, Chelsea, Arsenal, City, Liverpool and United can all be rich and compete, but we are now going to prevent any other club from building an infrastructure with which they can compete with those teams".
     
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    As much as I hate Abramovic as a human being and I agree that he skewed the transfer market even further than before, the roots of this problem had started way before his involvement with Chelsea.
     
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    This!!

    Please take note fellow goons.
     
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    What I am saying is that Abramovich skewed the transfer and wage market in the UK. When he came along transfer fees and wages basically doubled overnight. He took a 'throw as much cash and see what sticks approach'. It was clumsy and grotesque and it opened a Pandora's box in terms of the mega wage and huge transfer days in the premier league.

    The argument that Utd and some foreign clubs paid big wages and transfers has no truck. They were successful teams buying the top players, augmenting their success based on the trophies they were winning. What Chelsea did was basically take a £15m player on £90k per week and turn him into a £30m player on £180k per week in an attempt to buy their way to the top.
     
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  15. Bodinki

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    Absolute bollocks.
    Transfer fees were inflated.....for us.
    Wages, cannot see how us signing a half dozen players, on normal wages, could make wages double overnight.
    Our wage bill did, but thats because we replaced 6 mediocre players, with 6 great ones.
    Nothing clumsy or grotesque about it mate, led to 4 league titles, 4 FA Cups, 3 League Cups, A Europa League, and a Champions League title over the next 10 years.
    Was a thing of beauty.
     
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    Bollocks was it beautiful. It was simply a 'throw as much cash as it takes to win the title' approach. Roman was thinking about sinking his rubles into Spurs before he decided to settle on Chelsea. Your success was arbitrary because of his money.

    Would you be championing the 'beauty' of it if was Spurs who'd had that 'success' ?
     
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    He also looked at Arsenal and Liverpool...it was a thing of beauty indeed for them,look at where they are...in another decade they will be self sustaining,in the top 10 clubs in the world and will be around for a long long time.


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  18. Bodinki

    Bodinki You're welcome Forum Moderator

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    Exactly,
    No amount of sour grapes will change that fact either.
    Our success was arbitrary! <laugh>
    To you maybe.
    Whatever helps you sleep at night
     
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  19. PINKIE

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    Are you trying to claim that you would have won all of those honours without Roman's cash ?
     
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  20. Bodinki

    Bodinki You're welcome Forum Moderator

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    No, you silly melt.
    I am claiming that if you count trophies won with money as arbitrary, then every trophy the FA and UEFA award has been arbitrary for the last 30 years.
     
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