The EU debate - Part III

I'd love to have a driverless car. I have no interest in cars at all. I find driving boring.

 

After approximately 12hrs, we are no further ahead with this debate and will probably fail to agree if we carried on for another 12hrs. So I will bid you a good night.
If this site is still in existence in 2021 and the autonomous vehicle is a common sight on the streets of the U.K, I will happily come on and eat humble pie

 

I can't remember the name of the film, but it starred Wesley Snipes and Stallone. It was set in the future, and the vehicles were semi automonous. That would suit me, as like you, I find the majority of driving boring.

 

Demolition Man.

 

Do you live in a parallel universe or something? The whole ****ing world has just witnessed you getting schooled on here, yet you claim it's others making arses of themselves.

I suppose that's how it is when you live in a post-truth world; reality is whatever you decide it is, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

 

Schooled my arse. [sic]

They've witnessed a couple of tedious ****wits trying to rejig a point, and a couple of other ****wits falling for it.

Someone implied that values have got progressively more liberal, but in reality, they were comparing today against a short period in history. I offered a few examples of liberal attitudes to things such as drugs and sexual preference in Victorian Britain as it was straddled by the period they referred to. I could also have mentioned Romans and Greeks from 2,000 years ago.

One of the usual dullards tried to latch onto the homosexual element, presumably because there is no doubt that there was a very liberal attitude to drugs, and that alone makes my point, but there was also a fair degree of tolerance to homosexuality for much of Victorias reign. Some, like Wilde, fell foul when new laws came in, but other less prominent people just got on with it.

Here's some that did fall foul, but the attitudes to much of their lifestyle choices can only be described as liberal.

Frederick Park and Ernest Boulton weren’t necessarily transgender, though of course it’s impossible to know how they’d identify today. They did dress in women’s clothing, though. They had a drag act, calling themselves Fanny and Stella, respectively. They were known to alternate men’s and women’s clothing in public even when they weren’t performing.

For the most part, they were permitted to do so without much harassment in London’s West End. They were theater people, and their scene was markedly more freewheeling than the nation at large. London at that time was “in the grip of a new theatrical craze for burlesques and burlettas,” writes Neil McKenna in Fanny and Stella: The Young Men Who Shocked Victorian England,“and pantomimes where women dressed as men and men dressed as women.” In the West End, it didn’t strike people as particularly inconceivable that playful drag might slip off the stage and onto the streets.

“Their lives were basically illegal,” London playwright Glenn Chandler, who wrote a play about the duo, told The Observer. “But also much was tolerated; people could get away with it as long as they didn’t frighten the horses too much, as it were.”

The state forbade gay sexual activity, not acting gay or consorting with other gay men. So while it was obvious to all that Park and Boulton were generally engaged in sexual relationships with men, there was no legal justification for locking them up. The jury deliberated for less than an hour before acquitting them.

Now, with the drugs and rampant prostitution, would you say that suggests a liberal or authoritarian attitude?

The article goes on to talk of arrests in later years, but the bulk of those were not in Victorian times, and as I said, coincidentally occurred during the birth and growth of the labour party.

 

Trying to even argue that views were more liberal in the UK, in the past is beyond ******ed.
It reaches into a new realm of spastication as of yet unnamed.
In a world where you can literally watch 2 actors simulate gay sex on TV.
Where same sex couples can get married, where couples of different ethnicity can get married and procreate with relative little backlash, where a person can decide he wants to change his ****ing gender and live as the opposite sex, where a woman can decide she wants to get an abortion.
Where people can have multiple, casual sexual partners, have children out of wedlock, again with little to no negative reaction from others, in fact it is nearly the norm these days.
Where complete and total ****tards can view their backward, archaic views in a public forum with impunity, anonymously.

 

Who said it was more liberal? You mention things that are more visible, but even after the law making homosexuality illegal was changed in the 1960's, there were still plenty of convictions for acts associated with it, right up to fairly recent times, most of which were not illegal for the bulk of Victoria's reign, and today's world would have been puritan to the Romans and Spartans. Illegitimacy wasn't that unusual in Victorian times either. The casting out tended to be by the wealthy few if they pupped the maid, but she would tend to find no real problems back in her community, where marriage wasn't always 'official'.

 

So what are you saying then, that it was less liberal?
So you agree then? That's the point I was making......

 

'I was wrong about Brexit!' Britain's most influential historian Niall Ferguson says he made a mistake in backing the Remain campaign and says the EU 'deserved' the result
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Remain-campaign-says-EU-deserved-result.html

 

Green Party 'did not contest Zac Goldsmith by-election after they were offered £250,000 donation to sit it out'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-250-000-donation-sit-out.html#ixzz4S83VEQoO

 

Vladimir Putin drops shock hint at his RETIREMENT during visit to metal factory and reveals he wants to spend more time on mystery hobby
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-spend-time-mystery-hobby.html#ixzz4S84ZO9GX

 

He'll say what will drag out the conversation longest while googling to find whatever source has one line backing up his point, ignoring the 50 lines telling him his point was idiotic.

 

God knows why he does it! He's fooling nobody. But he just has to have the last word and will never, ever admit that he's ****ed things up and got it totally wrong.

Every poster here with more than a modicum of intelligence sussed him and his game out months ago. But still he carries on, convincing no one but himself, that he's right.

 

Angela Merkel calls for a BURKA BAN: German leader says 'the full veil is not appropriate here' in astonishing U-turn
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...opriate-astonishing-U-turn.html#ixzz4S8JAaZl2

 

Teenager, 19, is jailed for 13 years for stabbing a 17-year-old boy to death at a birthday party a month after being sent on a ‘knife awareness course’ after being caught carrying a blade
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...party-advertised-Instagram.html#ixzz4S8KFu2zT

 

'It rings true to me': Sajid Javid vows the Government WILL tackle problems caused by mass immigration after a bombshell report found 'ghettos' in British towns and cities
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ettos-British-towns-cities.html#ixzz4S8Lc7I9G

 

On the front line of segregation UK: NEIL TWEEDIE visits a Blackburn dominated by hilltop mosques and afflicted by 'worrying levels' of division
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-worrying-levels-division.html#ixzz4S8M7D1m0

 

'I feel like a foreigner in my own country': Inside the 'British GHETTOS' where 21-year-old says he barely sees a white face and Muslim taxi driver blames Eastern Europeans for 'ruining' his home
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ern-Europeans-ruining-home.html#ixzz4S8MNiiRx

 

Tony Blair warns the world is in 'peril' after election of Trump and shock anti-establishment vote in Italy
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...i-establishment-vote-Italy.html#ixzz4S8Mg2KpS