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Time for Phelan to go. Clueless

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by allowentry, Dec 5, 2016.

  1. City1904

    City1904 Well-Known Member

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    I have noted that he has picked the wrong team and I don't agree with his tactics. However, our striker last night was Diomande, he was our best striker. A player who looked out of his depth in the Championship Our bench didn't include a senior striker, or a winger or a full back. If you truly believe Phelan got what he wanted in the transfer market you are deluded.

    Phelan has been dealt a shocking hand. I don't not agree with his tactics, or his team selection (Mason on the wing is ridiculous) and he clearly hasn't got the players playing. However, if you are going to say he can't make positive changes. Why after half time against West Brom and Southampton did we suddenly improve?

    I just feel you are a massive hypocrite who didn't pick up on a single issue with Steve Bruce yet you don't cut our current manager any slack. Do I think Phelan is the right man? No I don't. Do I think its solely his fault? No. Do I think it's right to constantly slag off a bloke who took up the job that no-one else wanted and at least gave it his all and tried his best? No I don't.

    His best might not be good enough, but at a time when no other manager wanted the job he put his hand up and give it a go. So fair play to him.
     
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  2. Shark Sports

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    Was there a position we didn't need to strengthen? How many of our squad are good enough to be regular PL starters? In my opinion, only both the keepers, Dawnson, Robertson, Clucas and the Mason who played for Spurs. We needed to strengthen pretty much everywhere
     
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  3. RicardoHCAFC

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    Phelan will be sacked close to the start of the transfer window "to give us a chance".

    We'll then piss about most of the transfer window looking for a new manager rather than players, bringing someone in a week before the end of the window and then signing a few loans (loans from abroad not counting in the 2) at the death. When people complain other people will come out with crap about not bringing players in until we knew the manager being right because what if the new manager wanted different players instead.

    The Allams get another cheap transfer window where protests are stunted because they've pretended they're actually trying to do something and there are some people thick enough to fall for it yet again.
     
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  4. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    I picked up on issues with Bruce. So no you're wrong.

    Will Keane was a ****ing disaster waiting to happen. Phelan s fault. Fact.
    He's not giving it a go. He's a clueless manc **** who thins he ran Man U.
    It was blatantly obvious after 20 minutes last night we weren't at it. Not for the first time. Mason is shot of confidence. He's playing a role he can't play. That is Phelan fault no one else's.
    Interesting to see the two Trust boys like this post. What could it mean
     
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  5. City1904

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    So you are blaming our whole transfer market on Phelan signing Will Keane?

    That's fine feel free to disparage him. I agree with you that he isn't giving it a go, however, to call some a "clueless man ****" is a bit far-fetched, given he has spent at least 20 years in football?

    Mason is shot of confidence I agree, however, how many managers play players out of their best position? Bruce played one player out of position probably every game last season. We don't have a left winger, end of story.

    I also have no input on who likes my most, and what they represent. I am just giving my view, a fair minded view. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, I guess you don't.
     
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  6. Shark Sports

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    I disagree with the criticism of Keane, he was brought in as a fringe player (probs 4th). He was getting games because of the failings of Hernandez. He's more deserving of criticism as we've seen nothing from him. What do you get for £1m these day? A L1 striker? It's funny that you left Weir out of your comment too, both signed for similar fees.

    Buying players on to grow them and sell them on in the future is a great strategy. It's certainly worked very well for us with Robertson and Clucas! How much are they worth now?
     
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  7. RicardoHCAFC

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    I think, being harsh in a couple of instances because either they've not had chance to show more yet, or they would be good enough but they're not as good as those ahead of them.

    I would say keepers are fine (we've got 2 that should be up to it and Jak who could be), Robertson, Dawson, Davies, Clucas, Snodgrass, Livermore, Mason have all shown they're good enough at some point. If not this season for all of them, the defence wasn't our problem last time we were PL and they were 3 of the players we were worried about losing after relegation. Livermore may be more worth looking at his performances when he was in defence than currently. Mason showed it with Spurs so it's there to be found.

    Bruce, Maguire, Meyler, and Maloney we're not really likely to get better back ups.

    Elmo & Huddlestone (although he's been better I'm still not happy about him spending 18 months turned off) are good enough, but there's questions with attitude given prolonged spells of being **** for no apparent reason.

    That gives you:

    McG/Mars

    RWB, Dawson, Livermore, Davies, Robertson

    Mason, Clucas
    Snodgrass (free role)

    ST, ST

    Or you can put Snodgrass out to the right and push Livermore forward into the midfield again and hope he plays like he did in 2013/14

    Subs: Mars/McG, Bruce, Maguire, Meyler, Maloney, ST, ST

    We've really got ****ed over by Odubajo's injury and Elmo's head going to **** at the same time.
     
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  8. AlRawdah

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    I've nothing to do with the Trust anymore. And neither does this thread. So I'd say it means two people wish to continue to support their team, and the manager who is coping with near-impossible circumstances created by the owners, and nothing more.
     
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  9. Chazz Rheinhold

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    So you're saying Snodgrass can't play left sided midfield? Interesting, it's where he finished last season. Duh
    Hernandez wasn't failing he fell out with the useless ****s tactics just like we al have.
    We didn't need fringe players did we. I did t mention weir the same as I didnt mention the tea lady. Least we didn't spend a million on her
    Plt doesn't go to games how is that supporting?
     
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  10. originallambrettaman

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    Not at the same time he's playing on the right.
     
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  11. PLT

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    Hernandez had all the same problems under Bruce. He's just not got a very good attitude.
     
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  12. Shark Sports

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    You could maybe say I'm being a tad harsh. Hudd, Elmo should be more fill ins (but not on the money Tom is on). If we'd have had a settled club (whatever that is), I'd have probably let them both leave. Elmo has been poor now for the past 2 and a bit seasons
     
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    Aye, typical Uruguayan... :bandit:
     
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  14. Shark Sports

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    You do need fringe players, you have to think about the future too. We're Hull City and our aim is to buy players cheap and sell them on for more. In this market, the deals represented good value for players with potential. Whether that comes to fruition remains to be seen but even if it does from just either Weir or Keane then we'll have at least a £10m player on our hands. That's some return. It's similar to Clucas, bought him for £1.3m (?) and now he's worth at least £10m and arguably more importantly, he's one of our best players. Much like many other clubs we aren't in the position to buy 11 players for big money, so we have to grow them.

    Re Abel, this is second time we've seen nothing from him in the PL. He was one of the main reasons we went up and our survival (probably) hinged on him scoring goals this term.
     
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    we only lost 1 - 0.
    we only need 1 win to get safe.
     
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    http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...itys-radar-confirms-steve-bruce-a3294341.html

    http://www.winnersports.co.uk/hull-city-afc-set-to-sign-man-utd-fc-striker-will-keane-86195

    http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/hull...tigers-radar/story-29515821-detail/story.html

    Bruce wasn't forced out - Bruce resigned because Ehab wouldn't let him sign sick note Powell - which incidentally was the correct decision
     
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  17. Chazz Rheinhold

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    God you talk **** is it a wind up?
     
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    Uruguayanist...
     
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  19. Shark Sports

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    How do you know it wasn't the right decision? Give him 3/4 years and see where Powell is then. You can't judge a young kid, who's not played regular football since he was about 19, in 6 months! He had the potential to play at the very highest level, and on a free we should have jumped at the chance to sign him.
     
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  20. Fingertips

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    I wouldn't normally call for a manager to be sacked but Phelan isn't one.

    He's got a weak squad but they are more capable than they're showing with his inept tactical decisions and inability to make sensible adjustments mid-game. I don't know where he gets the idea that allowing a premier league team (of any calibre) to constantly attack our defence will result in anything other than conceding one or more goals.

    It's hard enough in this league to succeed when starting on a level playing field but time and again he puts us in the position where we need to fight back and it's just not working.

    He needs to go now. I know we won't find a proven replacement but I'd rather see the players manage themselves than him. He is worse than useless.
     
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