You are making a huge assumption about the political leanings of traditional Labour voters - is it not more likely that they are closer to the membership of the party than they are to the majority of MPs. Has there really been such a thing as the 'traditional' Labour voter since the 1980s ? Now that so few of the British population work in those old heavy industries. Labour's rump vote is probably about 28% - ie. in the worst of all scenarios, ie. people who would vote Labour come rain, wind or shine. Have they not always been to the left of the Parliamentary Party ?
There are divisions in all political parties, even in the small ones. When you join a party you know in advance that you will only have about 80% agreement with their aims and methods - but you join hoping that you can influence the other 20%. You remain in a party if you think that your voice is heard - ie. if you think that the party can be influenced by its individual members. This is easier in small parties than big ones.
My comments on Brexit was in response to your criticism of Cameron for calling for a referendum, so you actually brought the subject up on this thread which should be about the dictator Castro. The problems with the LP are not complex, there are two opposing sides, only one can win but they both will actually lose.
Uk politics has moved steadily to the right since the 1960's. The only time socialists have been successful in the last few decades is when they employ Tory lite policies. The far left, which you prefer,might as well give up as there is no appetite in the UK for their policies. Maybe this is why they dare not start their own party but try to infiltrate the LP. The political left seems to be thoroughly rejected now in most European countries.
I do not think that you can make any assumptions about opinion in the UK. we cannot measure it. I agree that Britain has steadily moved to the right but............in the direct mandate system which exists in Britain you can also assume that the majority have voted against the government of the day. Which means that the British government is further right than the population as a whole.
Way too simplistic in my opinion............................ Within the PLP you have Blairites (New Labour,) Blue Labour, Old labour, Hard Left, Momentum ... for example....
Assumptions are made about opinions in the UK by use of opinion polls. Despite recent wide margins of error they are basically useful. Alternative votes for political parties other than the winning Tory government do not vote against the government they vote for their own preferred policies. Unfortunately for them the UK electorate prefer the mandate as offered by the Tories.
The Labour Parliamentary Party were united in opposition over Comrade Corbyn's vote of no confidence. 172 to 40. This split the party into two distinct groups which is still the case.
I did not intend nor do I think I posted an aggressive reply. You strangely made mention of "many things you would not share my views on" - I missed the offsetting many things you agreed with - because you did not write it. Why would you try to engage debate with someone you know nothing about by telling them you disagree with many things before you know what they think? I then pointed out two things. First that my posts here were mostly on Castro and so you could not know "many things about me" Second that the majority - I did not suggest you ( I named those earlier who always write anti Tory propaganda and you were not one of them) and you talk about me having no evidence of you being anti-Tory. That is because I neither said it nor believe that you are. That is effectively two posts you have made that are negative towards me and I have made none in the opposite direction. I would engage in an interesting debate with those I don't necessarily agree with too - but on here unless you are in the "club" you seem to get attacked without cause. A sensible debate needs people posting both arguments. My observation is that this board is unbalanced and 90% of posts are anti Tory. Many posters too are just bullies. Hence this is my second last post. So if I have unwittingly upset you then you may safely return.
As I seem to be the only recent joiner I have to assume you are referring to me. If you are as fair minded as you like to think then demonstrate why Theo's post was fair to me. He said he might not agree with many things I believed without having an idea what I believed. Is that me in the wrong? Why be so negative towards me? I was not rude in reply - I simply pointed out that it was Castro and the anti-Tory brigade on here that I disagreed with. I did not include him in that. He took offense incorrectly and now you judge me too. How is thinking Castro was a murderous tyrant rather than a hero "stirring up conflict" Try reading Aberdeen's views. How is disliking the bullying of SH that takes place on this board and the perpetual slurs of many - including you - of the Tory party "stirring up conflict" I happen to quite like the Tories - am I evil for that? You and many others claim to be fair but if you read each post you will find a strong anti Tory bias. Fair enough if you disagree but if I cannot have an opinion without that being called stirring up conflict then all you want is posts that agree with you. When I can I debate subjects not people but it seems on here that is not allowed so cheerio - you have succeeded in driving another semi-pro tory from the board. Congratulations. One less person whose views you might have to think about in order to shake your ivory tower.
Your choice Asimov... look at how you joined this board and the inferences you made.... you did it... If you came into the bar and sat next to me talking like that I would probably not choose to sit with you as you, for whatever you say now, choose to post the way you did. I have said nothing offensive to you. You have not seen, unless you are a previous poster with a different name, the way sh has time after time sought to wind people up on these boards to the point that he was warned by the moderator. Sadly a number of people have left due seemingly to the conflict on these threads. You can however post about football on the other threads you know.... you are very welcome Or keep on posting here ..... BTW I am a member of the green party and therefore have little connect with most Tory values
Asimov, what this poster means if you disagree with the left biased chums they call it 'winding up'. My disagreement with the Mods was due to their lax reaction at being called a C*nt, which apparently is ok if you are one of the buddies. You can clearly see why posters leave if the resident lefty 'mafia' close ranks.
What you do not appear to recognize is that we are rather a broad section here - only from your standpoint does it appear leftist. We have 2 members of the Green Party here (in different countries) one SNP supporter, a few Labour supporters, Frenchie, who I suspect is middle right, Leo, who is in the middle ground - yet you have managed to insult or belittle around 10 of the posters on here at some time or another, and that across the political spectrum. On a couple of occasions you have got it back, and have never stopped whining about it. Apparently, every reaction from any of us, is put down to us all being 'lefties' and not accepting right wing views. There are other posters here with right wing views, such as Aberdeen, but he does not attempt to provoke just for the fun of it, in the way that you do - and, as a result, there is no question of personal insults.
I'll put it another way any views from right of centre are treated as alien. You are trying to personalise it, other posters with right wing leanings have given up posting due to insults from some of the lefty chums. I suppose because the left in the UK and Europe has been thoroughly rejected by the electorate a bit of desperation has crept in. Cologne, personally I think you lack any kind of sense of humour.
How on earth would you know cologne has no sense of humour? You've never once tested it, you're too full of insults and wumming!
There are times and places for humour, and trying to score sly points in a political debate is not one of them.
Canary Dav, was you nearly chucked off the Norwich board for insults or wumming, you certainly caused a rumpus!!
What may or may not have happened on other boards is irrelevant here - Dave is a well respected poster on ours, and that is what matters. Once again you are doing nothing other than stirring, hoping for a reaction, and then you will complain when you get it. We see behaviour like yours on the football pitch week in week out.
