Colombian plane crash

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QPR999 said:
Good point rtid, imagine how Bobby Charlton felt after Munich?
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Yes, one of the Busby Babes, perhaps also Johnny Berry, who survived the crash, but never played again due to his injuries. Tragic incidents like this are often all about timing and fate.

Interestingly during his WWII army service my Dad spent time with both Matt Busby (Man Utd) and Joe Mercer (Man City).

The takeoff from Belgrade was delayed for an hour after outside right Johnny Berry lost his passport,[9] and the plane landed in Munich for refuelling at 13:15 GMT.[10][11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_air_disaster

Fatalities
Crew members
  • Captain Kenneth "Ken" Rayment. Co-pilot. Survived but suffered multiple injuries and died in hospital three weeks later as a result of brain damage.
  • Tom Cable, cabin steward
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The Munich Clock, on the South-East corner of Old Trafford
Manchester United players
Manchester United staff
Journalists
Other passengers
Survivors
Crew
  • Margaret Bellis, stewardess (died 1998)[43]
  • Rosemary Cheverton, stewardess
  • George William "Bill" Rodgers, radio officer (died 1997)[44]
  • Captain James Thain, pilot (died 1975)[45]
Passengers
Manchester United players
Manchester United staff
Journalists and photographers
Other passengers
  • Vera Lukić, the wife of a Yugoslavian diplomat, and her baby daughter, Vesna. Both passengers were saved by Harry Gregg. At the time, Vera Lukić was pregnant with her son Zoran.[56]
  • Eleanor Miklos, wife of Bela Miklos
  • Nebojša Bato Tomašević, Yugoslavian diplomat
 
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Tramore Ranger said:
Being reported that the plane ran out of fuel..........dreadful, dreadful accident......
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Seems to be the case.

Chapecoense air crash: Leaked tape shows plane 'ran out of fuel'

The recording captures the final moments of the plane before it crashed

The plane which crashed in Colombia killing most of a Brazilian football side had run out of fuel, according to a leaked audio recording.

A pilot can be heard repeatedly requesting permission to land due to an electric failure and lack of fuel.

Just six of the 77 people on board the plane survived.

The team, Chapecoense, had been due to play a cup final on Wednesday evening. Fans instead have been gathering at their stadium for a memorial event.

What the audio tells us
The leaked conversations between the flight crew and a Colombian air traffic controller give a glimpse of the frantic, final moments of the doomed plane.

The pilot and can be heard warning of a "total electric failure" and "lack of fuel".

Just before the tape ends, he says he is flying at an altitude of 9,000ft (2,743m). The plane slammed into a mountainside near the Colombian city of Medellin late on Monday.

The flight's data recorders have been retrieved and are being examined

That there was no explosion when the plane came down also points to lack of fuel, with one Colombian military source telling the AFP agency its absence was "suspicious".

It is not known why the plane was out of fuel: whether it was due to a leak or because there was not enough on board.

Investigators have yet to announce any single cause for the crash and a full analysis is expected to take months.

What we know

Who was on board?
Chapecoense were flying to Medellin for what would have been the biggest match in their history - the final of regional tournament the Copa Sudamericana.

The team lost 19 players in the crash. Twenty journalists were also killed.

Among the survivors, Chapecoense said that two players remained in a critical but stable condition, while the club's goalkeeper had had one leg amputated and might still lose his other foot.

An injured journalist also remained in critical condition, the club said.

Another survivor, flight technician Erwin Tumiri, said he was still alive because he followed safety instructions.

"Many stood up and started shouting," he said. "I put the suitcases between my legs and assumed the brace position."

A team torn apart

What has the reaction been?
Three days of official mourning is under way in Brazil, with thousands of fans in the city of Chapeco massing in their home stadium to mark their loss.

Chapecoense directors say they expect up to 100,000 to attend collective funerals once all the bodies have been identified, most likely on Friday or Saturday.

"We're very anxious for the arrival of the bodies, to give them a last tribute, which they deserve. The city has stopped, waiting for that moment to come," said one supporter.

Chapecoense have been gathering at their home stadium

There has been an outpouring of grief and support from the football world.

The team Chapecoense were due to play in the Copa Sudamericana, Atletico Nacional, have offered to concede the game so Chapecoense are declared winners, while leading Brazilian sides have asked the league to protect the side from relegation.

Many of football's most famous names, from Lionel Messi to Pele, have offered condolences.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-38160713
 
According to Holloway last night, Sandro was in bits at training yesterday as one of his good mates perished in the crash. Ollie asked Ian Taylor to sort out a Brazilian flag before tomorrow nights game to show solidarity with Chapecoense FC.

QPR & Wolves players will pay a minutes silence for the victims of this plane crash tomorrow evening.

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The final in which they were flying to was due to take place right now ...

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Tramore Ranger said:
Being reported that the plane ran out of fuel..........dreadful, dreadful accident......
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A catastrophic incident, I feel is some way understandable. Running out of fuel is unacceptable and that shouldn't happen in this day and age. I really feel for those left behind. This was completely avoidable and inexcusable.
 
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Please don't assume they "run out of fuel" by design.

There are reports of increasing electrical problems culminating in a total loss....and lack of fuel....which is demonstrated by the fact the plane didn't burn on impact...it is why there were any survivors at all.

They are talking about a leak or over usage without correct monitoring. There is no evidence that the lack of fuel being in any way deliberate...No evidence of underfilling, or that any economic reasons involved.

They may have had no place to land once they realised that their fuel was disappearing.
Please let's not jump to conclusions until we know the facts....the situation is bad enough as it is....

Edit...I just heard that 3 hrs before the pilot had the opportunity to refill at Bogota...which he declined (because he had plenty of fuel? A miscalculation? Something happened after that turn back point?.)

He was also 3rd in line to land (if situation was so critical...why 3rd in line...not all the rumours are holding together yet...)

All this information will be crucial in deciding what caused the crash..so lets wait on that before attributing the blame in this horrible and soul-destroying situation
 
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It was reported that the pilot didn't use the emergency code when they first had problems and another aircraft that had made an emergency request was allowed to land ahead of them. The pilot was the owner of the airline personally taking command of such a prestigious flight, it is thought he may have been too embarrassed to declare an emergency before it was too late. Whatever it was human error seems to have played a part...
 
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Unfortunately this plane ran out of fuel over mountainous terrain in it's runway approach, unlike the Air Transat incident (over Atlantic Ocean) or the Gimli Glider (over flat Prairies), where the pilots had had height advantage, flat terrain and time to figure out the correct vectors to enable them to successfully make a runway landing.


'The Azores Glider' Famous Air Transat Airbus A330-243 C-GITS Arrives & departs Manchester. 2.5.13

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24.8.01 Air Transat Flight TS236, was en route from Toronto to Lisbon, at FL390. When at 05:36 UTC, the crew became aware of a fuel imbalance between the left and right-wing main fuel tanks. Five minutes later the crew concerned about the lower than expected fuel quantity indication, decided to divert to Lajes Airport in the Azores. At 05:48 UTC, when the crew ascertained that a fuel leak could be the reason for the possible fuel loss, an emergency was declared to Santa Maria Oceanic Control. At 06:13at a calculated distance of 135 miles from Lajes, the right engine (Rolls-Royce Trent 772B) flamed out. At 06:26, when the aircraft was about 85 nm from Lajes and at an altitude of about FL345, the left engine flamed out. At 06:39 the aircraft was at 13,000 feet and 8 miles from the threshold of runway 33. An engines-out visual approach was carried out and the aircraft landed on runway 33. Eight of the plane's ten tyres burst during the landing.

Investigation has determined that a low-pressure fuel line on the right engine, had failed probably as the result of its coming into contact with an adjacent hydraulic line.
See 'Air Crash Investigation' S1-E4 on YouTube.

The Gimli Glider is the nickname of an Air Canada aircraft that was involved in an unusual aviation incident. On July 23, 1983, Air Canada Flight 143, a Boeing 767–233 wide body jetliner, ran out of fuel at an altitude of 12,500 metres (41,000 ft) above mean sea level, about halfway through its Montreal to Edmonton flight. The flight crew was able to glide the aircraft safely to an emergency landing at an auto racing track that was previously RCAF Station Gimli, a Royal Canadian Air Force base in Gimli, Manitoba.[1]

The subsequent investigation revealed a combination of company failures and a chain of human errors that defeated built-in safeguards. The amount of fuel that had been loaded was miscalculated because of a confusion as to the calculation of the weight of fuel using the metric system, which had recently replaced the imperial system for use with the 767.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider

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Just watched some videos about the crash. Apparently the Bolivian airline only had 3 aircraft. That alone should have made the football club and the authorities suspicious about the safety of the aircraft. Two of their aircraft were out of service due to technical problems. As people above have pointed out, the pilot didn't make it clear to the air traffic controller exactly how serious his problems were until it was too late. Shortly before they went down, he declared he was at an altitude of 9,000 feet and 8.2 miles from the runway. The controller knew there was a range of mountains in front of them 10,000 feet high and that they were doomed. There were three other aircraft in the area at the time. I heard the pilot of an Avianca flight who changed his course to give the doomed flight priority, was deeply affected by the crash. He said for hours afterwards he was crying like a baby. He also said the air traffic controllers were badly affected.

The one minutes silence at the match on Thursday night was observed impeccably by everybody.
 
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