1. 10% of the Boer population died in British concentration camps - 22,000 were children. 2. British torture centres in Aden. 3. 500,000 detained in concentration camps in Malaysia. 4. The Amritsrar massacre in India. 5. 3,000 ordinary Cypriots tortured in internment camps. 6. The use of chemical weapons when crushing the Iraqi revolution of 1920. 7. Britain' role in the Irish famine. 8. 1.5 million herded into concentration camps in Kenya - many worked to death as slave labour and buried in mass graves. 9. If this is not enough then read up on Churchill's role in the Bengal famine of 1943. At least Germany has learned from it's crimes.
Germany took mass murder to a new level. They industrialised genocide, not sure anyone has ever matched their wickedness and brutality.
I did say that Germany had learned from the lessons of the past. The problem is not that such atrocities took place in the British empire, but that most people in Britain are not aware of them and many still think that the British Empire was something to be proud of. Besides which I don't think that the 'comparisons' game is really helpfull - does it really make Harry Roberts any better because Jack the Ripper was worse ? Another point - why all this backbiting about Germany ? Is it because of my location ? I am every bit as British as you are, having been born and raised in Watford. In addition, as answer to another supposition of yours Germany was also not my 'chosen country', my chosen woman was German - had she been *****lian I would have gone there. Believe me there are many countries I would have 'chosen' ahead of Germany (though I have been here 28 years).
*****lia? After living, working and travelling in the Himalayan region.... Ulan Bator is on my to do list
The only thing you are consistent at is knocking the UK. I'm sure many countries have learnt from their past it is just that Germany, more than any other country, has more to be ashamed about.
My son in law is half *****lian. When my daughter married him some friends of ours asked if we minded a "mixed marriage" - we laughed as it never occurred to us - he was just a pleasant young man (apart from being a Mancunian and so a Man U supporter). We have got to know his *****lian family across the years and wonderful they are too with some amazing stories. Their two children are divine.
UK made a lot of money from Slavery too... ... and how about the brave Tibetan army massacred by the British who insisted in 'invading' their country to prove a point... etc etc...
Yes - perhaps divine overstates them marginally - can I rephrase to delightful Afraid son in law and mob are atheist. No rebirth for them.
You are quite happy spending time listing misdemeanours by the British, quite understandably you would like to forget the relatively recent industrialised genocide committed by the Germans. It is ironic somebody living in the land of organised mass murder should make cheap party political points about obscure UK wrongdoing.
Now that could start another thread - another time, another place maybe, but helpful? Their reasons were entirely selfish imo...
I am not trying to forget anything you plonker - it has nothing to do with this debate. We spend most of our time on these threads discussing Britain, and so naturally most of my criticism is in that direction. There are many criticisms I could make of Germany but they would interest nobody on here - we are not talking about Germany, it has nothing to do with this debate, and your constantly trying to come back onto this theme is becoming more than boring - just drop it !!!!
Why would anybody morally want to help a nation that caused the death of tens of millions of people? They were lucky they were strategically used as a barrier to prevent the expansion of the soviets.
Can you try to debate without childish insults. It is quite relevant to refer to Germany's grand genocide scheme when discussing individual nation's past indiscretions. You just seem to be very happy highlighting the UK's past problems rather than Germany's uncomfortable history.
You have not changed SH. Still you come on here without the slightest intention of seriously debating with people - a little bit more subtly than before but still the same. Your only intention appears to be to provoke a reaction - I am not giving you that pleasure. Do you really want to debate seriously something about Germany ? I don't really think so ? Does it have anything to do with debates about Castro ? Again not. Nobody can change what happened in the past - do you think that 80 million Germans today are not conscious of their past ? Do you think that this is not a prime reason why they feel a special responsibility in giving safe haven to refugees now ? There is no need for such a debate on Germany - the Germans know their past - in contrast to many Englishmen. The Germans concentrated their human rights violations into a few miserable years - as opposed to staggering them over about 200 years like the English - and of course these were all in far remote places. Interesting also that the nation which suffered most in World War 2, namely Poland, has nearly 3 million of its citizens (plus many more of Polish origins) now living in Germany, integrated,safe, and having forgiven the past.
You have certainly not changed by resorting to petty insults. Calling another poster a 'plonker' is not my idea of debating, it is pretty ignorant. I was earlier trying to encourage a new member, Asimov, to remain on this board after being insulted then you act just as bad. You have conveniently forgotten the thread had moved from Castro to slagging off the Tories / alleged British atrocities which you piled in on. I just applied a bit of relevant proportional comparisons.
I must admit to having changed to 'plonker' at the last minute - actually it sounds quite friendly, quite jovial, different from the original. Another thing - grammar - it is 'just as badly' ie. we need an adverb ! Has anyone ever used an insult such as 'somebody living in the land of organised mass murder' on these boards before - have I ever used such a comment about anyone living anywhere ? My ploughing in was as a balance for the apparent 'whitewashing' of Britain's past coming from both yourself and Aberdeen. If we can settle for the fact that nearly all of the leading nations have a shady past (this is how they became leading nations) then all will be ok. Comparing one genocide with another gets us nowhere. If you are saying that this or that people cannot point the finger at another and say ' that is not ok', simply because they also committed crimes in the past then only the Swiss would be able to criticize anything.
