The man was released suddenly by Crewe (and subsequently admitted offences) but was allowed to go to the USA where he was charged with offences against young boys. This is the problem with trying to sweep things under the rug....there are no convictions that have to be declared. I know the arguments for doing this...no real evidence and not wanting to drag kids through a court case....this is what the Catholic Church has done in the past. These people don't change....without extremely tight supervision....moving the problem elsewhere is immoral.
Thanks for that. I didn't think you would be able to name those involved I just wondered how much Saints knew about it. I guess we will find out one day.
No, but he does have the right, an absolute right, to be tried on facts, not rumours, innuendoes, accusations or even previous guilt. I do dislike this attitude that seems to have sprung up that people accused of certain crimes must be treated as though they are guilty. Until someone's found guilty in court, they are innocent. Vin
In which case people are guilty if... what? Enough people think so? Twitter says so? The Daily Mail says so? One person thinks so? You think so? I'm interested; how would you determine guilt? Vin
If a person rapes a girl/boy but doesn't get sentenced due to lack of evidence. That girl will know. Now on my view and this is hard for me to say. I was abused as a child as well, which is why this topic means a lot to me. My abuser never got to court because he died of old age. He was never found guilty in a court, but I myself (and the others he abused) know he is guilty.
Beefy, I'm sorry that it's happened to you and I'm sorry for everyone it happens to but you must be able to see that a civilised society has to have a way of determining guilt. As a country we've chosen a system of adversarial trials whereby you are innocent until proven guilty. It has its faults but it's about as good as we can muster. Someone accusing someone else of doing something is not a way for a society to determine guilt. I agree that in your case (and others) people know it but it's not a solution just to say that someone isn't worthy of due process of law "because he just isn't". It's a recipe for miscarriages of justice. Vin
First of all thank you. I get what you mean but just see there being two kinds of guilty. One were it has deemed you did something in court and one were you did something and got away with it. I agree that either way they should have their time in court. I wish my abuser did, but he got away with what he did to me and others. I am not disagreeing that every one deserves the right to a trial. But like you said some still get away with it. I wouldn't judge anyone as truelly guilty until they are either sentenced or I know for a fact myself I have witnessed what they have been accused off.
And vice - versa,and none of these situations give anyone the right to verbally abuse or accuse.don't suppose that will change though. Do you?
What do you mean by acuse? Bennell has been jailed before so can't complain he is suffering abuse. It also makes sense that a ***** would carry on abusing people until he or she gets caught or dies. The other coaches that will have their names dropped deserve a trial.
It's great tbh, shows abuse victims are now having the strengthen to stand up to their abusers. Hopefully they aren't lying.
This won't be the first time it's been made public. I can only assume there wasn't a trial last time, else it would be pretty easy for the previous time to be publicised again. I googled the names and couldn't find anything but maybe this is just because of how long ago it was??
If it is the person I was referring to, they coached and developed some high profile Saints players during that time. I've never heard anything about it happening to those players though. The person who went public before didn't have a career in the game as far as I'm aware. I remember how visibly upset he was during an interview and even though 30 years ago, the image of how it affected him has stuck with me. I consider myself very fortunate to not have had that experience, considering the proximity to the coach. He had the dreams of young teenage boys in his hands.
And this is why abuse victims such as myself find it so hard speaking up. Former darts world champion Eric Bristow has drawn condemnation on social media for suggesting football abuse victims are not "proper men". More than 20 ex-footballers have come forward with allegations of historical child sex abuse in the sport, and five police forces are investigating claims. But Bristow, 59, questioned why they did not stand up to their abusers. Ex-Crewe player Steve Walters, who is among those to come forward, said he was "disgusted" by Bristow's remarks. Writing on Twitter, Bristow, who was made an MBE in 1989, said darts players were "tough guys" and footballers "wimps". He added the victims should not be able to look themselves in the mirror for not "getting their own back" on their abusers. http://bbc.co.uk/sport/darts/38139647 People like this make me sick.
