The EU debate - Part III

I suppose he'd argue he does it in other ways than sitting in the Parliament.

 

Don't worry about Nige' though, he's keeping busy:

 

If it stops you whining on and ignoring the previous answers, based on your informed explanation I'd say she's just a slightly more left wing version of the EU, so on those grounds I'd say no, I wouldn't support her.

 

By publicity seeking with his mate Donald and Russia Today, apparently!
Clearly a good use of taxpayers' time and money.

 

You have a strange definition of left wing.

 

Aye, closer to the left would perhaps be better.

 

I do find his position quite odd but I can't knock the bloke. He's achieved a lot more, for himself in terms of pure cash and influence and politically than if he'd just been a backbench Tory.

 

It's interesting that when the EU fund schemes, it's EU money, but when they pay MP's, it's taxpayers money.

It's all our money that they spend undemocratically.

 

He's achieved power and influence by backing the aims of the powerful and influential.
He's done it while failing to do a job that's he's paid well to do.
He's a ****house.

 

Yeah I can't disagree with that bit.

 

When have I ever said that the EU money isn't taxpayer's money?

You keep banging on about the EU being undemocratic, but it isn't anymore than our parliament is.
I assume that you want out of that, too?

 

I can contribute to voting people out of our parliament, and there are ways of influencing decisions. Those ways have been ignored to a degree prior to brexit, but the referendum vote has been a bit of a democratic wake up call.

The EU is less democratic than parliament.

 

You can contribute to voting people out of the European parliament and there are ways of influencing their decisions.
Baseless claims are baseless.

 

Baseless claims are in deed baseless.

The MEP's have to compete against other MEP's of many hues, in a system of unclear political leaning and unchangeable policies before our national and local level issues can be addressed.

To compare that to the national parliament is in deed baseless.

It should be a trading group, not the bureaucratic mess it is.

 

I thought Castro died years ago to be honest.

He'll always be remembered for being slightly to the right of Le Pen.

 

Having competing MEPs is undemocratic? In what way?

The UK has barely opposed anything at all in the EU in recent years, by the way.
The figure's something like 2%.

 

Like the immigration and border control issues, it depends where you draw the borders. Having Hungary and others veto changes to our social security system as an example, is hardly democratic for UK citizens.

 

When did that happen?

 

Earlier this year. It's a part of what the referendum was supposed to have been a lever to get UK interests through the EU 'democracy'.

Changes to our benefits system, even if it just brought them in line with other EU states, is one way of reducing the border control argument, as people would be less attracted to this damp soggy island if being self supported was a requirement. It would mean we'd naturally get more that could contribute.

 

Do you have a link to a news story about this? Google brings up a load of stuff about something different, for me.