For what it's worth I'm with Bri on this one. There's got to be an element of trust in your players. If he wants to carry on you have to trust him. They're grown men at the end of the day. It's easy to point the finger in hind sight now that he's crocked for the rest of the season. Shoe on the other foot, what happens if he's fine and Moyes takes him off? "Moyes clearly doesn't know what he's doing taking a player off who's not injured etc etc". I'm still unconvinced by Moyes, for more than one reason, but I can't lay the blame at his feet at all IMO for this.
When he was first injured I thought that it was bad, and when he came back on I thought that he must be fit enough to make it until half-time (with there only being a couple of minutes to go) and it musn't be too serious . . . . but I didn't expect to see him in the second half. It will undoubtedly (to me) have been checked during the break, and thought to be alright (from what Paddy must have said and the physio's opinion) so Moyesy must have agreed with them both (like I would have). In hindsight they were all wrong, like I would have been, but to blame the manager for us all being wrong is simply crackers . . . . I certainly don't think that him deciding the way that he did was deliberate, as some seem to think Hindsight, eh . . . . read my signature
Like I say Giacc I respect everybodies decision. Even tho ya's a wrong. . PS. Thats what a forum and debate is all about. Would be boring if we all agreed with each other all the time.
I don't know what's so unreasonable about thinking that a player who looked injured and turned out to be injured should have been taken off. I was right it's as simple as that. How long do you advocate leaving a player to hobble around for, twenty minutes, half an hour, forty minutes? Can't remember how long McNair stayed on for after the initial injury but it was more than long enough to spot the problem.
Just been to see what has come up today. We did't even know if it was his crucial he hurt initially ,we have all just presumed it was hurt in the first injury, well I can clear that up, the first injury was a surface injury which cut his knee this has been confirmed(and the reason we can't operate till it's healed.) So it's the knock which has put strain on his cruciate and caused it to rupture. A freak accident, one that can only be avoided if every player who ever gets a knock is withdrawn. But that's just stupid. We don't have enough subs for any club to run that kind protocol for players picking up knocks. I no longer believe I hold an opinion, there's enough facts to know what's happened. It's a clearly unfortunate accident. No professionals are blaming Moyes for this too which tells it's own story. A simple knock resulting in a gash has put strain on a ligament and it's ruptured. Could have just as easily been his any of the other ligaments in that area or even muscular tears. Again, Moyes had professional medical advice and player 's own testaments. Bout time all the Moyes haters just admired this was an accident and they can't blame Moyes for everything and expect it to hold up. 100% unfortunate accident.
Like I say I am not a Moyes hater I am one of them who wants him to stay AND succeed. Think its time we moved on from this post now..
Because the injury which has put him out long term wasn't the injury he originally went down with. This is the information you chose not to wait on before making your mind up Players start and finish games with knocks all the time, if your attitude was taken to management you'd need 50 player squads with 5 or 6 subs per match just to deal with your paranoid injury outlook. Or you don't really have that paranoid outlook and It's actually finger pointing and scapegoating done before the evidence was in, on what has turned out to be an unfortunate accident. I know what it is. It's just Moyes hating. We've won a few games and now a select few are clutching to throwing anything at him and hoping it will stick. Well the **** has slipped down the wall. It hasn't stuck here. It was an accident.
Move on because more information has come through on what actually happened which null and voids many points of view. Convenient.
I'm not convinced by him neither. But there's no blame which can be pointed at anyone here for me. He picked up a knock by gashing his knee and played on, it happens very often, sometimes it adds strain to another area which causes a separate injury. It's all just bad luck for me.
Well you're free to step out of the conversation aren't you? More information is available and this is a message board. Not end of, I'll discuss it if I want. It's my right and perfectly reasonable.
Yup not a problem at all but were just going round and round. I'm not gonna change my mind and neither are you.
How is new information going round in circles? It's only going round in circles if people don't acknowledge said new information.
It's a good thing you're not in charge too or everybody would be crocked. For the record I would have exactly the same opinion on this if we had Klopp or Simeone in charge. Your new information doesn't change a thing, if he'd reacted to the original injury then the later one wouldn't have occurred. Baffling this advocation of leaving injured players on the pitch until they're fully knacked. That's half the point of the subs bench FFS.
Players play through knocks and gashes all their time. There's littrally not enough places on the bench to manage the way you would. Anyway i'll ****ing shut up eh?
I don't care that you don't agree, It's that you're as good as telling my to shut up, you didn't have to re engage with me. Fair enough then. End off. I keep my mouth shut.
