I remember Keiron Dyer at Ipswich "apparently" scored after breaking his leg in a game (though the physio later said he broke his leg at a latter point in the game). Either way he played on for a short while before being stretchered off. He went on to, sadly, have more injuries than playing time. The scorer of my personal favorite Premiership goal but a total crock. Hope McNair comes back stronger, never wish injury on anyone.
This is 100% Moyes fault. Given our current injury list, any sign of trouble, for any player, and especially for a youngster playing out of position, should have earned him a quick trip to the dressing room - even in a 6 point contest. Given the current level of sports science in the Premier League, all those factors that mask an injury are well and truly out of the bag. Come on, we were all once young and bullet proof, what a veteran like Defoe tells a trainer should be taken with a grain of salt, let alone anything reported by a youngster trying to make a name for himself. Every doctor knows that patients lie. If that was Gooch, I'd want someone's head. If that was my son, I'd be cleaning granny's shotgun. As it is, hard to understate how disappointed I am for McNair and his family.
Not the gun in the back of your knickers? Or is this a new American euphemism? Still don't see how this is 100% Moyes fault.
It's not as simple as saying it's 100% Moyes' fault as though he took a sledgehammer to the lad's knee but if I could see clear as day that he was injured then so could Moyes regardless of what people are telling him. Fair enough wait five or ten minutes to see if he shakes it off if he's telling you he's ok but he left him on a lot longer than that and there wasn't a moment went by that he didn't look injured. Seems like another manager afraid to make subs to me.
So you're saying sports science can pick up on tiny tear while on the field of play? The cruciate ligaments are tiny. I can't imagine anybody who hasn't hurt it before would even diagnose that being the ligament hurt if it happened to himself. So what is Moyes supposed to do? When the lad himself won't know the problem, so can't relay it to physio who can't relay it to Moyes. Bring off anybody who picks up a knock? That would be daft, wasting valuable subs on every tom dick and harry who feels a twinge. That would be management beyond a joke. The scapegoating here is pathetic. Some really unreasonable, unforgiving, finger pointing people. Sensible folk put it down to what it was, bad luck. Pretty sure it's his natural position too.
I had a op on my thumb using a tendon graft. Tendon holds my entire thumb in place because the joint that held it was smashed into fragments.
Yikes...just butterfly sutures after all that...Hope they gave you a general anestesia before and a lollipop after.
They put me under aye but I was in and out of hospital same day. I had a steal bar through mine. Than I was put into a plaster cast. It required more bracing while it healed as over half the joint fragmented my thumb was sliping out in all directions. They did a great job though, had no problem with it at all and now I have a party trick where I pull my thumb out of joint and let it spring back in place.
Real shame for the lad he was just starting to look like a useful player, i suspect he did himself no favours playing on after he was initially injured in the first half. Really piss poor management there but i surpose thats all with the benefit of hindsight. Hope he makes a full recovery and we see the best of him next year.
Is any of the people calling it piss poor management in hindsight going to answer my question? Would you just replace any player who picks up a knock? Or you actually going to reveal to us all how you'd manager diagnose his problem without the use of a scan? Armchair management.
I said it was bad management while the game was taking place and he was hobbling about clearly injured. The sub was delayed and delayed until it was too late. So to answer your question I would have taken note of the blatantly obvious fact that he wasn't shaking off the injury and replaced him. Basic stuff.
I agree with what Nacho said Bri. I said the same. It wasnt a twinge the lad was crocked long before he came off.
If you tweak your hamstring, groin, achillies, or bump your head - you're out of there. Why not for a hyper or over-extended knee, which, as you posted earlier, is a career threatening injury. I thought a 'knock' specifically classifed those injuries, from which, you soldier on.
So I take it you'll take every player off who picks up a knock. The you'd manage subs would be widely ridiculed imo. Looked like a knock to me. Clearly it did to the the professional football manager and the qualified physio. But alright, you lads know best. Such an unforgiving unreasonable finger pointing fan base we have.
