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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by TheSecondStain, Jul 15, 2014.

  1. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    I'm not getting what point everyone is making here. The poor woman was killed by a dangerous man obsessed with Hitler and the Nazis. Its all coming out in court, but an obsession with Nazism is not something you can warn people about....like avoid drugs or alcohol.
     
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    Probably lucky my copy of Mein Kampf is an ebook.
     
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  3. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38072135

    Frenchman inherits house, then an auctioneer discovers nearly 4 million dollars worth of gold. Liable to about 45% tax minimum....may have to also pay 3 years back taxes. Shame about the auctioneer finding it....the question is would the owner have declared it otherwise. Not sure I would have done...always been honest and paid everything I had to, but declaring that treasure would be a step too far. It's mine, all mine, I tell you.
     
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  4. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    Not warn, but educate. In fact, even a warning is meant to educate. It's all education. The more a person is educated, the less the tendency towards extreme views regarding idealism [to put a nicer word to it] rather than people. Keeping the memory of Nazism alive was always meant to be a warning from history. Not something to adopt as a way of life.
     
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  5. fatletiss

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    Oh I'm with you there. I love Robert Harris (though I'm a few behind him).

    Michael Connolly is a one book a year man too and he's my favourite.
     
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    Yes and yes. Possibly my least favourite of his though.
     
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    And you think they don't know that .... :bandit:
     
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    I've actually got all his but haven't read any yet and sadly my reading habit has slowed right down this year :(

    Have you seen the Bosch TV series? Seemingly, it's very good.
     
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  9. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Not sure that would work though. You are one sort of person or you are not....show those books to most people and they will be horrified....show them to another subset (under certain circumstances) and they will see it as a way of life. Look at the Koran....most Muslims lead decent lives, but a subset (under outside influences) read it a different way. Education has a part, but genes also have a part (they now know that a subset of people have a tendency to violence/psychopathy if they have childhood problems) and upbringing and example have a major part.

    I am not suggesting you should forget the Holocaust or deny its existence (like some apparently do), but this man (someone who could attack a lone person who is virtually a stranger to him) with weapons and then act like nothing has happened was attracted to those books rather than turned by them. They merely encouraged him in his already damaged behaviour. The man who killed those children on an island also had a taste for the same reading material.
     
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  10. davecg69

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    I always avoid books by "well-known" authors writing "with" someone else. When I travelled a lot on business, I used to read Clive Cussler (easy to read and his early books were well researched and clever) but one of his "with" someone was enough to put me off for life.
     
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    Still, when they let him out in a few years, he'll be welcomed into Trump's Reich over the pond. Should fit in well there .....

    Seriously though - I'm an advocate of fair trial, etc, but in this case, is there any point? He's getting the publicity he clearly wanted, he's stone guilty and a danger to the public. I'm not in favour of capital punishment, but I resent paying to lock this nasty piece of work up. If I was part of Jo Cox' family, I'd want him strung up as an example. People like him don't deserve to live in a decent society - like Anders Behring. If he'd killed my children, I'd put him down myself
     
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  12. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    I strongly suspect (based on Jo Cox herself) that her family don't believe in capital punishment. I can understand someone wanting to personally kill their child's murderer, but I can never support the state doing it. It lowers us all to his level. It is rather surreal to read about the research that goes into the best form of execution in America and, after all their practice, they still get it wrong. And if you do go ahead, I understand the need for witnesses....as nothing like this should be done in secret....but it says something odd about the American psyche that the family want to witness it. I doubt very much that many British people would choose to watch...even if the person killed a member of their family. And if you can't watch it....should we be doing it. Personal revenge is one thing....cold-blooded retribution is quite another. And though not relevant in this case....there have been miscarriages of justice.
     
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    The first and only time I picked up a Cussler book was, unfortunately, one of the "with..." I couldn't finish it...
     
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    Interesting idea that extremism isn't a factor among the educated! it's rarely the poorly educated man on the street that starts revolutions, or writes the extremist literature, or ends up in government. Not only that, extremism is subjective depending on who sets the benchmark for normal - formal education generally comes from the same sources that set the ethical and moral guidelines in society so in the mainstream, education can shape the thinking of a population however regardless of the number of times you are told Nazis are evil, drugs are bad and killing people is wrong, there will always be those that disagree or just don't care.
    What the Jo Cox case tells me is that in any population, regardless of national ideology, or level of education, there will always be assholes who transgress the accepted, and let's face it, some people will always be attracted by the dark side of the force.
    It's naive and simplistic in my opinion to think that education is the answer to all abberation in society, as rebellion is always there in some personalities within that society - education just equips those people with the targets for aggression and the tools to carry out any action they seek to take.
     
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    I have seen first series of Bosch - it was excellent and mainly because Connelly was involved ion the directing. The characters were just as I had them in my head - brilliant casting.


    *did you mean you have Connelly's books or all of Harris'?
     
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    Did Clive Cussler write the story set in Iraq about the two snipers??? I read a book 5 years or so back that was similar in places to "American Sniper" but not the same. It was excellent but I can't recall the book or the author.
     
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    I imagine the book you're thinking about is "Holding The Zero" by Gerald Seymour (one of my favourite authors - I've got almost everything he's done). Do yourself a favour and read as much of his as you can - starting with "Harry's Game" set in Belfast at the height of the Troubles. That was his first book and just brilliant (in my opinion - there are other authors and books out there which others may prefer, of course .. :emoticon-0105-wink:)
     
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    His early ones were good - I think the first I read was "Raise the Titanic", which was an interesting twist on the old story. It was a long time ago though - I was getting books out of the library then
     
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    Yes, yes, yes! That's it. "Holding the Zero" which was brilliant. Probably still is unless he has changed it :)

    Right, once I have finished Connelly's latest (yes, I get his annual one as soon as it comes out), I will get on to Harry's Game. Wasn't that a TV series or a movie in the 80's??
     
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    Yes it was. I thought they made a reasonable fist of it (haunting soundtrack by Enya - or "Clannad" as the group she was in), though I watched it a few months ago (I have the DVD) and it hadn't aged well. Biggest issue was casting of Charlie from "Casualty" as the IRA gunmen - very well played, but I couldn't get the picture of him in a hospital out of my mind :emoticon-0102-bigsm)

    Hope you enjoy it - when you come down for that game of golf, you'll have to look at the others I have. While we sample the single malts of course :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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