The EU debate - Part III

Piss poor at propaganda then aren't they.

 

You seem to buy it.

 

Where did I say I don't accept it? I've said several times that all media is bias.

It's why hiding behind the source is nonsense.

 

I don't take anything I read at face value, I tend to have a look around. If anything, I search out sites that I think will have the polar opposite view to the one I'm leaning towards.

Simply arguing over the source is meaningless.

 

You post the same sources repeatedly and they're all ****.
Pete give us the Mail and the Express, while you give us Russian propaganda and fruitcakes from the alt-right.
You don't want people to question the source, as you know they're ****.

 

If all media is biased, then surely you accept that any critique of the BBC by Russian state controlled media is going to be biased too?..

 

Seems quite appropriate.

 

Was that before or after you copy and pasted half a dozen essays? It's quite understandable someone could miss something amongst your endless waffling. What are your opinions? I'll give my opinion on them.

 

Yep.

 

I couldn't give a flying ****, I've said several times that they're all bias, so it's just meaningless to hide behind it as far as discussion goes.

It's the equivalent of thinking squealing "racist" wins an argument, when it just avoids discussing the issues.

 

They're the same as they were when I posted them before. Why not lead by example an post an original opinion on the topic of this thread of your own?

 

Like I said, it was easily missable amongst your repetitive essays on the rise of the far right.

It's quite a broad topic which no one seems to have stuck to despite your whinging whenever anyone but you does it.

It's my opinion that an EU army won't happen and is mere scaremongering based on some powerful players publicly wanting something they're legally unlikely to achieve. Still, that doesn't stop certain people acting as if it's inevitable and use it as a positive for leaving the EU.

 

So why the **** do you keep posting them, instead of addressing the issues themselves?

 

I'll ignore the ill informed whiny bullshit at the beginning of your reply.

On the EU army, there was certainly an aim to have one. A precursor document was delayed so that it could be hidden and released on the eve of the referendum.

I think that the plan, like a few others, is on the back burner while they work out where they've got it so wrong, or more likely in their view, how they can convince people that they're the ones that are right.

They've far bigger fish to fry like trying to prop up the Deutsche Bank, negotiating with the Italian rebellion on Immigration and their pending referendum, the French and German elections and the Eastern Bloc countries leaning toward joining Putin.

America rejigging the TPA and other trade agreements creates opportunities for the UK. China and Asia as well as the Russians are also pushing to trade, as is Africa, as the yolk of the EU has been hammering them hard. The likelihood is that we will come before EU in deals with these.

So, the EU army has dropped right back off the agenda, for now.

 

Soo, do you have an original view on something related to this thread topic?

 

I disagree with virtually everything that you've written, to be honest.

The EU army was never going to pass, as various countries would've opposed it.
Brexit might actually increase the likelyhood of it happening, as might Trump's apparent isolationism.

Eastern Bloc countries don't look upon Soviet times with any fondness.
There's no hunger to return to that situation, from the population, at least.
Some politicians might be pushing for it, but I suspect the usual Putin shenanigans, frankly.

We're really not in any position to be negotiating trade deals effectively.
We cut ourselves off at the knee and are incredibly weak, with the current Brexit tightrope walk leaving us even weaker.
Everyone knows that we're in the **** and our leadership's crap, so they'll stiff us at every opportunity.

 

All sadly true, unfortunately!...

 

This comments tongue in cheek right? Claiming less bigotry, by semi insulting people who read certain newspaper as scared pensioners!!

 

The Eastern bloc countries have opposed the centralisation of Europe, and leaned to the UK as they saw us as their supporting voice in the EU, so they've had to have a rethink after Brexit.

The army may or may not have got the go ahead, but there was certainly plans to try.

As for trade, time will tell, but the EU itself may be in a much weaker position that it is now if it doesn't handle the current internal and global crisis well.

Scanning round the foreign channels, there seems to be a lot of optimism about Trump being President, as they see him as someone that wants to do deals and trade. A lot of other Countries seem happy with Brexit too, despite what our mainstream media portray.