The EU debate - Part III

I've got a new one for you - 'It's fake!'. I don't think I've seen anyone use it yet but it'll happen soon considering the current push from American mainstream.

 

I've responded. So what's your view on the issue raised in the articles?

 

Feel free to point out which bits you find ironic. I dare say it'll be less ironic than the son of an immigrant hating immigrants.

 

The credibility of the whole mainstream media is down the pan, particularly after brexit and the US elections, which makes clinging to slating the source as some sort of "argument" even more ridiculous.

 

When Jeremy Corbyn says something we can easily point out why it's nonsense rather than rely on it being nonsense because Jeremy Corbyn said it.

 

Trump: US to quit TPP trade deal on first day in office
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38059623

 

The Fail & The Excess regularly publish sensationalised rubbish that panders to the frightened and the dimwitted.

That's just a fact, not a fake!...

 

Well, assuming the article is true for a start, it's worrying that the far right is on the rise across Europe as it doesn't tend to end well. Apart from that it's nothing we don't already know that you haven't posted on here countless times before- people are pissed off at their current lot, they turn to the right who give them an easy target to blame.

 

Absolute nonsense!..

Of course they're responsible. Responsible for the bias and the slant they put on actual news stories. Directly responsible for the content if their editorials and opinion columns.

 

"Again, as is your right, you've chosen not to answer but don't let that stop you from attacking the poster."

Just stop, stop and go to bed, your politics tutor won't be happy if you're late for class tomorrow morning.

 

What's your view on the potential financial crisis in the EU, and do you think they'll have to revise their policies to address it?

Do you think the anti-EU sentiment is all just far right and immigration, or do you think they'll have learned the danger of mistakenly assuming that after the example of Brexit and the US elections?

 

Absolutely agree, the type of stuff that was exposed in the Wikileaks was incredible, we all know it's been going for years but that little bit of confirmation really makes way for change. The handful of small media sites that are doing incredible numbers at the moment have really played a big part in exposing the corruption of the MSM.

 

You call it nonsense, and then agree that the main stream media is biased. Both sides of the spectrum are doing it. It's just a given, so it's not a reason to dismiss the issues raised, which can still be discussed.

 

Someone has to report the truth.

 

There are some cracking clips showing the blatant bias, particularly in the US. The Clinton supporting CNN takes a particular hammering for it. I've never understood how Wolf Blitzer kept a job before this, he must be toxic now.

 

That's good news for us, as the other Countries involved are desperate to trade. He may step away from the existing deal, but he'll still be keen to do deals, and Russia will want to be involved more too.

I was watching some Chinese coverage before and after the election, and they seem happy Trump's in, as they love to trade and do deals.

 

Another fulfilling day for Dull. Epic.

 

I thought you didn't like leading questions.

I'd like to think Brexit and Trump will wake the centre up to not be arrogant when it comes to their campaigns.

No, anti-EU sentiment isn't just far right and anti-immigration and it never was perceived as being so. Too many people across Europe have **** lives and the EU is an easy target for the far right who are perceived to be the elite establishment. In the absence of the mainstream parties giving people something credible to believe in, many are hoovered up when someone says what they want to hear.

 

It's 'loaded' not leading questions I pointed out people being guilty of.

I think the reliance on thinking that anti-EU is far right has been shown to be misguided, and leads to the mistakes made in brexit and the US elections. If you look at Trumps policies, they're not far right, that's just how the media portray it.

If people across Europe have **** lives, don't you think that shows a big failing with EU policies?

 

Possibly. I've never argued the EU is perfect. However I believe it demonstrates more the failing of individual governments.

Trump might have some great policies. When he comes out with outlandish stuff about Muslims and Mexicans then people will focus on that. I doubt they're his own beliefs but he's a marketing genius and knows what people want to hear.