The question is would they vote the same when they are in their fifties with something to lose, or with decades of resentment behind them? The resentful might, Sanders essentially offers another version of populism, there are people to blame for where you find yourself, and I promise to take them down. Albeit a slightly more palatable (to me) and coherent populism than Trump and Farage. Though it seems I am the enemy, the person to blame, in whatever version you choose. I'm beginning to relish it. I have a feeling that everybody who seriously likes Corbyn has already joined the Labour Party. It's a lot of people, but not enough to win an election. Jezza has a pop at Trump on the telly saying he has to grow up. Well, that's a grown up way of approaching a challenge. Corbyn is a born protester, he has no inclination to govern or be accountable for anything.
They also voted for Carter and Clinton, but I agree with you that in years to come there will be many Millenials that will slip into the shoes of their fathers and grandfathers
So, what do we all think of Nigel Farage over in the States discussing the timetable for Brexit with Trump??? I would imagine Teresa May is furious with both of them as Farage is not a member of the UK government nor does he represent the EU and is not even an MP. Bad start by Trump.
Good "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" PR activity for both. Doesn't mean anything unless we permit it to. I really don't think Farage has the appetite to stay in politics much longer, but he could probably use a career as a media voice explaining how he "freed" the UK from the EU - in other words, talking about how good he was rather than trying to do more in the future.
Do you remember earlier in this thread when Farage was at a party with Rupert Murdoch and the next day he quit UKIP. I said what has he got up his sleeve, he must have something else coming up... guess what
Well Done Sky! You have done the same thing you were doing all the way through the Brexit vote and Trump election. They interviewed 4 people from a company in Chesterfield, 2 ‘remainers’ and 2 leavers. The ‘remainers’ were the General sales manager and the services director. The leavers were a welder who couldn’t have been dirtier or thicker and some bloke who looked like the coal man from My fair Lady. (Funnily enough the actor that played the part was called Holloway and that's not knocking the chosen one). Talk about chalk and cheese! Every question from the interviewer was negative about leaving and as soon as the ‘remainer’ mentioned paying a bit more after the initial Brexit he pounced on that. This is why we left the EU and Trump won. If you get treated like idiots you rebel.
I forgot to post this video on this discussion! I find it rather appropriate for the Brexit and the Trump situation. It's good for a laugh
This threads gone a bit quiet. May goes to Berlin for the big goodbye to Obama. But Merkel doesn't invite her to lunch with the other EU leaders, so she has to slum it with the British ambassador. KKK applauding Trumps couple of appointments so far.
Had the pleasure of working with a lot of my colleagues from the States last week, with a large group of our European friends, about 200 of us in all. The Yanks were making the jokes about themselves before the rest of us got the chance, but many were seriously spooked. Naturally these are people who would be called 'citizens of nowhere' by our Prime Minister. Of course us Brits just looked sheepishly at our feet. You are right of course, we are in a bad place. All of us. Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
According to the Sunday Times May is preparing to quietly dump her promise to have workers representation on company boards. She has spent a lot of time with business leaders, including inviting many to dinner at No 10, with their wives. Presumably she'll be doing the same with the people she has pledged to help the 'just managing' patriotic Brexit voters from Hartlepool, in the near future. She's a weakling.
She certainly isn't a leader. Some might remember I tipped her to replace Cameron once the referendum result was known. That was purely based on her activities (or lack of) during the referendum campaign. I think she played the game beautifully. However, wanting to be PM and knowing what you want to do for yourself or the country once you have the job are two different things.
Apparently Tony Blair is ready to step back into the political forum because he thinks May is a lightweight and Corbyn is a nutter. Good. I have little time for Blair, but he pisses all over Teresa Maybe. Let's have the Labour party realignment (split) and move on.
Looks like the split may be forced, if the Corbynistas at local level start deselecting people like Hilary Benn. May be good for the new party, if they are given no choice but to set something new up and aren't seen to be splitters like Owen, Williams etc.
Labour MPs that are openly anti-Corbyn should be deselected in my opinion. He's been elected twice with big majorities. They should stop moaning, suck it up, accept the democratic vote, blah ****ing blah. YOU LOST, GET OVER IT! That's how it goes isn't it?
Trump's new get tough approach to crime? His nominee for Attorney General (Jeff Sessions), apparently once described white lawyers who defended black civil rights activists, as "a disgrace to their race". please log in to view this image please log in to view this image Donald Trump’s attorney general pick Jeff Sessions brings racially charged past to light By Eric Tucker and Chad Day The Associated Press please log in to view this image US Republican Senator from Alabama Jeff Sessions speaking with reporters at Trump Tower, where US President-elect Donald Trump lives and has an office, in New York, New York, USA, 17 November 2016. WASHINGTON — The Senate confirmation hearing of Sen. Jeff Sessions, President-elect Donald Trump‘s pick for attorney general, is likely to rehash racially charged allegations that derailed his efforts to become a federal judge and made him a symbol of black-voter intimidation under the Reagan administration. The expected focus on Sessions’ record on race, policing and immigration comes as the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division has surged in prominence under the Obama administration. If confirmed, Sessions would have broad latitude to define how federal prosecutors across the country wield their powers and make changes to the Justice Department’s priorities. READ MORE: Donald Trump picks Jeff Sessions for attorney general, Mike Pompeo as CIA head Lawmakers and advocates expressed concern Friday that Sessions could sideline or undo the Obama administration’s civil rights efforts, which have included investigations of police departments for unconstitutional practices and lawsuits meant to protect the rights of transgender individuals and black voters. “Given some of his past statements and his staunch opposition to immigration reform, I am very concerned about what he would do with the Civil Rights Division at the Department of Justice and want to hear what he has to say,” incoming Democratic Minority Leader Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York said in a statement. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, said he strongly supported Sessions, who he said “has worked tirelessly to safeguard the public and to improve the lives of Americans from all walks of life.” WATCH: Jeff Sessions named Attorney General in Donald Trump’s administration please log in to view this image Sessions’ peers on the Senate Judiciary Committee will almost certainly delve into the Alabama senator’s past statements on race. The panel’s top Democrat, Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, hinted as much on Friday, saying the “American people deserve to learn about Senator Sessions’ record.” Leahy voted against Sessions for a district judgeship when he last came before the Judiciary Committee in 1986. During that hearing, Sessions was criticized for joking in the presence of a Civil Rights Division attorney that the Ku Klux Klan was “OK” until he learned they smoked marijuana. He was also said to have called a black assistant U.S. attorney “boy” and the NAACP “un-American” and “communist-inspired.” Gerry Hebert, a former Justice Department lawyer who worked with Sessions in the early 1980s, said he remembered Sessions making racially offensive remarks. “I filed all these things away thinking, ‘God, what a racist this guy is,'” Hebert said. READ MORE: Rash of disturbing acts of racism reported in U.S. after Donald Trump wins U.S. election Sessions, a former prosecutor, has said the racially charged allegations against him have been painful to him and an unfair stain on his reputation. He called the matter “heartbreaking” in a 2009 CNN interview and described the allegations as “false charges.” In defending his record, Sessions is likely to point to his vote to confirm Eric Holder as the country’s first black attorney general and to his co-sponsorship of the Fair Sentencing Act, which sought to reduce racial disparities in how black and white drug offenders are treated. When he was U.S. attorney in Alabama, his office investigated the 1981 murder of Michael Donald, a black man who was kidnapped, beaten and killed by two Klansmen who hanged his body in a tree. The two men were later arrested and convicted. “He couldn’t have been more supportive of making sure we got convicted the murderers of the last black man who was lynched by the Klan,” said former Justice Department attorney Barry Kowalski, who worked with Sessions. WATCH: Your Coles notes on Team Trump please log in to view this image But “those incidents don’t obliterate the well-established record of hostility to civil rights enforcement in other areas,” said Wade Henderson, the president of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights. Sessions’ civil rights record matters because, if confirmed, he would have oversight of a division that Holder has described as the Justice Department’s “crown jewel.” Sessions himself has said a “properly exercised” Civil Rights Division “provides tremendous benefit to American citizens” but should not be used as “a sword to assert inappropriate claims that have the effect of promoting political agendas.” As attorney general, he’d have the power to depart significantly from the priorities of his Democratic-nominated predecessors. READ MORE: Donald Trump staff’s social media posts include racism and talk of religious war The Obama administration Justice Department, for instance, has opened 23 investigations of law enforcement agencies, including police departments in Baltimore, Chicago and Ferguson, Missouri, for unconstitutional practices and has reached court-enforceable consent decrees with many of them. It sued North Carolina over a bathroom bill it said discriminated against transgender individuals, and has challenged state voting laws that it said disenfranchised minority voters. As a supporter of Trump, who campaigned on law and order, Sessions is likely to pursue fewer civil rights investigations of troubled police departments. He may also elevate voter fraud as a priority, something the current Justice Department leaders see as negligible. In the mid-1980s, Sessions was criticized over the prosecution of three civil rights activists on charges of vote tampering in Perry County, Alabama. The activists, who included Albert Turner, a former adviser to Martin Luther King Jr., were acquitted. During his confirmation hearing Sessions defended the case, citing evidence of absentee-ballot tampering. Democrats and civil rights groups called it an example of the Reagan administration intimidating black voters. WATCH: Donald Trump makes key choices to his cabinet please log in to view this image As a senator, Sessions criticized the Justice Department in 2009 for dismissing three defendants from a voting rights lawsuit against the New Black Panther Party after allegations of voter intimidation outside a Philadelphia polling place. The department’s Office of Professional Responsibility found no evidence politics played a role in that decision. He’s also defended the lawfulness of state voter identification laws. Policy differences aside, the Civil Rights Division is expected to continue enforcing civil rights laws, such as prosecuting police officers for egregious acts of violence. “The challenge for an incoming administration is always to make those policy changes without making law enforcement look like a purely political undertaking,” said William Yeomans, who worked in the division for more than two decades. Otherwise, “it hurts the legitimacy of the institution.” Associated Press writer Eileen Sullivan in Washington and Kim Chandler in Montgomery, Alabama contributed to this report. http://globalnews.ca/news/3076547/d...ssions-brings-racially-charged-past-to-light/
or they can hope for another vote that gets them the result they want how many votes do they need or just change the rules so the dopey members dont get to choose
