Any tourist visiting another country can overstay, we need to get tough and start waterboarding these illegals until they leave. The UK should toughen up its immigration policy by removing illegals much quicker. The NHS should not treat those without NHS numbers except in emergency.
A study of people who voted both to leave and remain shows that 90% want to stay in the single market. Time for the government to get it's act together and work out how they will achieve it. Boris told people it was possible, so let him enlarge on the method.
How can a tourist (ie. from Germany) overstay if they don't have a Visa ? You have a certain number of people from the EU. coming into Britain every day - you do not know why they are coming, how long they are staying, or for what purpose - it is impossible to bring in the controls which you are proposing without negatively affecting all tourists. I presume that you are joking about the waterboarding.....or have we really got that far ? How many times does it have to be spelled out to you that European migrants bring more into Britain that they take from it - that is proven fact, and has a more positive economic balance than non EU. immigration does.
The UK voted to leave to be able to control borders, regain sovereignty and to stop sending large amounts of money to Brussels. Boris Johnson, Donald Tusk and most others realise these aims cannot be achieved in the single market or in the customs union. The government has clearly stated these instructions from the people will be fulfilled.
Seemingly the 90% do not see it that way. You seem to be in a small minority now that the truth has started to emerge.
Sorry the waterboarding idea was my Trumpesque moment. You seem to be debating issues that were more relevant for discussion before the referendum. The government has a couple of years to perfect a suitable policy.
I'm in the majority of voters that decided to leave. It was made clear before the referendum by both the leave and remain camps that a vote to leave meant being outside of the single market. It has since emerged that the government has given up on the single market and now obviously on the customs union. It is now also clear that the vast majority of MP's will not oppose invoking article 50.
I would like to remind you SH. That people are 'desirable' or 'non desirable' on the basis of their personal qualities not on the basis of their ethnic or national origins. The remark about Romanian Gypsies is not acceptable on these boards - you wouldn't risk making such a stereotype about people of Afro Caribbean or Pakistani origins so why do it here ?
Nothing is clear. Today it was stated before the Commons committee looking into Brexit that there is no plan, no policy, no nothing. Still information gathering and it will take months to sort through it all. The government is playing for time, otherwise they would have accepted the High Court decision and got on with producing something for MPs and Lords to discuss. The route they have chosen could lead them into even more trouble if they lose again in the Supreme Court, as they could define what type of legislation needs to be brought forward before Article 50 is invoked, and it would not be a three line bill.
Totally disagree. It is perfectly normal practice in many countries to devise a policy which assesses migrants according to their national criteria. Some of the reasons we have had Brexit and Trump has been the inability to properly discuss immigration and the many problems it can cause. I have no problem stating I would prefer a potential highly educated asset from a non EU country rather than a Romanian Gypsy who is allowed access regardless of the benefit to the UK. I would say there has been many more arrests for shoplifting amongst Romanian gypsies than junior doctors from India.
The government has plenty of time to formulate its preferred negotiation stance, the real negotiations will not take place until well after the French and German elections, probably in the final couple of weeks. You were obviously disappointed at the referendum result, you should be braced for further disappointments as the government invoke article 50 in March and lead the UK out of the EU in 2019.
I see we're dredging the bottom of the barrel again. A shame...this thread was an interesting read for a while.
The assumption is there SH. Romanian Gypsy = undesirable. The classification of whole groups of people in this way is not acceptable in any democracy - you would not risk doing it about any other group, so why Gypsies ? There are also more thieves amongst the English than amongst Indian doctors.
The statistics issued today show that people from Romania and Bulgaria entering the UK has reduced since the referendum. I would like SH to tell us the numbers of Romanian Gypsies that have entered the country as he sees it as a problem. Just a few facts please!
The main reason the UK voted for Brexit was to control the quality and quantity of migration into a very crowded country. If some are rejected then it is reasonable to call them undesirables by the very nature of their rejection.
You have not answered the question SH - you are using the description 'undesirable' about a whole national/ethnic grouping - a form of logic which belongs in Mein Kampf but not in 'liberal' Britain. Also, as Frenchie has asked, just how many Rumanian Gypsies are there in Britain ?
I've no idea how many Romanian gypsies are in the UK. I'm sure after Brexit there will not be any objection to their application to settle in the UK if they qualify for one of the categories or abilities as sought by the UK. There must be the odd brain surgeon or IT geek amongst them.
Still evading direct answers I see. According to the last count there were around 220,000 Romanians living in Britain - for the sake of comparison there are 452,000 in Germany, 705,333 in Spain and 1,131,839 living in Italy. amazing then that those other countries are not throwing all of their toys out of the pram as a result, in the way that England is. Apparently those 220,000 people (most of whom are working) are a threat to the very moral fabric of English society. How many of those 220,000 are Gypsies ? We don't know the answer to that one - but it is a fraction of the million gypsies living in Germany and France. Yes Germany, the very land where the Sinti and Roma (the gypsies living in Germany then) had a lower survival rate than even the Jews during the holocaust - yet they are now there again, apparently without the same stigmatic problems which they have in England.
