I agree saint, Burnley were piss poor and were there for the taking, we passed it around to much in areas that wouldnt hurt them for to long and when our attacking players had chances they ruffed many, our defence were caught out and were basically asleep. All in all the stats(obviously aside from the result)paint the wrong picture, we just played poorly against a poor side.
My initial point - now lost in the mists of time - was that I want a team that wins by playing exciting, watchable football and that the result does not completely over-ride the performance. It's quite a simple concept to me, and all this over-analysis is unnecessary. Of course there's no reason why you should hang on every word I say, but if you did read my post-match comments you'd see that after an ugly win I express a muted satisfaction at getting the points, but not enjoyment at the performance. Sometimes it's the best you can achieve, but that's very different to making it your modus operandi.
He is more of a not lose by any means especially in the big match eg Utd game against us this season. I think without a good defence a team is unlikely to win anything although not impossible. however, you need to be good enough tactically to do that and still score goals. mourinho is showing that he lacks those skills at the moment with Utd. Will he improve? should do but will it be enough?
I agree. He has always been a i must not lose this game type of guy when a big game comes and targets smashing up the bottom half teams. at this point he's been found out.
Yup - lets just agree to forget about it. And agree as long as we both finish above pep and arsene we'll be happy.
For me all these barren years were survivable simply because of our brand of football from 2005 to 2011 after which there were some modifications but we are returning back to the glory style it will be that by next season. As long we both?From his avatar hes kop and you are mancunian or blue?If you are not chelsea...i dnt think you would finish above us and man city.
Agreed, and wenger has deserved to stay in for as long as he had. However, for all his attractive football (i think it's gone pretty bad in recent years, more barca lite of passing it around aimlessly although this year has been better) how long would you be willing to put up with wenger for. I think part of the reason for keeping him over the number of years apart from his football was that hes actually been your most successful manager and that he was doing it all on a shoestring.
His problem seems to be more trying to relate and get the most of out modern football players. There was a time when players would run through a brick wall for Mourinho, now he can barely get them to turn up for games (see Costa, Hazard etc.) I wouldn't say he's been found out, because that's a harsh assessment of a manager who has won it all and probably dominated a generation of football in the way only a handful of other managers in football history have managed to.
No,him being the most successful manager actually does not come into play,after building rhe stadium he was required to make a 20m profit on average every season while qualifying for the champions league 3 seasons out of five But he became a shield for the club as if it was his own child and didnt make 20m but 25m on average for the period 2005 to 2013 and finished several times 3rd along woth fourth and now has made us after united the financially most strong club in england with self made money and in top 7 of the world,what more can a sensible man ask...damn i need to put this out everywhere,the gravity of his sacrifices well i guess fully wont be understood by other clubs' fans and nor should i hope it to. But if he doesnt win the league this or next season or if by fluke the the ucl atleast once,everyone wants rid of him...its also partly due to his stubbornness...like not getting the players on time,the gabriels he bought in jan 2016 if he got it earlier we would have had a better season,same goes for elneny bought this jan should have been done in the summer,hes doing what he needs not to do and trying to outdo everyone like giving himself handicaps and then trying to achieve the impossible...but he has let lose thisnseason and i see a huge shift in mentality,team spirit..this should do it in vue of the competition i would give him one more season while most wouldnt but we should only let him go if we can get a top man in like allegiri or simione because if we still stick with him,he will not do the necessary which he can and should,handicap hikself and try to win which would destroy all that we built together.
true. 20 year old today is so radically different. they are balotelli's with big massive headphones on and looking down at a phone. the terry's, lampards, carvalho's were different.... they could be criticised and worked with but not todays last. criticise a hazard or a shaw... they just stop working, collect 100k a week and wait for you to be sacked
Yup, i didn't go into as much detail as yourself but i mentioned all of that in my post. He has been given this length of time from the fans because of the factors you mention - attractive football, shoestring budget to pay off debts and he was doing a good job on his budget + his previous success made him a legend. I was just counteracting your point that those barren years were survivable because of the football (and by this i mean to take it keeping wenger in). However that is not the end all and be all because now you have the financial clout and the squad, even you are conceding that no matter how beautiful wengers football is, if he remains stubborn and doesn't win the trophies, even yourself would contemplate his position in the club
Well sorry bro for mixing you with the general audience. So he needs to do a top two if not win the title this season But if alexis and bellerin are out for months we will be in trouble but he should manage he has the squad after all,he really should have done far better last season..in a way the expectations on him now are due to the past 3 seasons,its underachievement, because for 4 years we have now spent 200m net on average 50m and he has the best squad besides city and his squad has been together for longer,i can only hope for the best now. He seems to have changed this season,its apparent on the pitch but we can only say at the end thabks to our recent tendencies even after money was flowing in form 2013.
Yeah, he's surprised me so far this season, but then again he did this a few times in the past too only for either November/January/February to hit so i always take arsenal with a pinch of salt. One thing he has seemed to change this season though is he's rotating much better and he actually had decent cover in central defence and DM after he splashed out. He's made you far stronger in these positions than he normally would have. The other thing that seems to have changed a bit is your resilience. This year you have managed to 'fluke' (koscielny handball goal, girouds very dodgy penalty at southampton, a few other late goals) quite a few wins last minute and that will breed confidence when things aren't going well. I actually think your team is better than Citys. Not as potent up front but a far more balanced unit and your defence is far better. You also have better strength in depth so i would expect Wenger to really challenge. You just need to make sure Cazorla stays fit (when he's back) and not try to include ramsay and ox as they aren't consistent enough. He also did very well in sending wilshit away imo
Exaclty,this doesnt happen in any wenger team,the players are ready to be on the edge to win,to take the decisions or get them,the Adams,dixon and vieira team could do that. And after Liverpool over the course of the next 16games in didnt feel we would lose,we never did we always came back or held on like at burnley,psg,tottenham etc...Arsene surprises early but this is un usual. It seems pep will be shocked by england quite a few times,if we keep up this form we should do it but my biggest fear is liverpooland chelsea seeing you just have the premiership and everything to gain as neither of you are under pressure from the media or footballing fans,no one expects you guys to win the thing or end up top 2 sure top 4 but i am sure you will do that.
Ox he will get chances here and there based on faith that he could turn a corner but we should mostly keep him away from crunch time when ever possible. Ramsey is extraordinary as he showed with wales but after his 13/14 season he is not putting in the running,using his defensive ability,spray the balls and wait for the perfect moment...he simply passes and bombs ahead and takes it from there,with his natural stamina,if he reigns his head,hopefully reduced playtime,others getting upgraded wages like bellerin is on 85k with bonuses allowing him to make 100k a season from this season and 6 more and quality gets him back...if he does we will have a huge weapon...if he puts himself to it,he would be in the top 5 cms in the coubtry,there is boundless potential,i havent seen such an all rounder since vieira and early yaya toure Did you see his goal in cl against gala last season?He can do wonders when he wants but another one who can truly be unleased and have zidane level power on the field if not stats like ronaldo or messi its you eden hazard,what a man when on song. https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=e9waBM1lq94
Think you quoted the wrong article. Don't get me wrong, Ramsay is technically brilliant and has bags of energy. I don't think he will ever get the levels of Zidane or Iniesta and co but he could be your rakitic. The thing is though, i don't think Arsene is hands on enough in his coaching (i don't know what he is like) but Ramsay hasn't seemed to progress at all from that 2013/2014 breakout season. He often makes the wrong decision, goes for the hollywood pass, tries his flicks and tricks and whenever he is in the middle, he has brilliant and underwhelming games. Maybe he needs more time but he doesn't strike me as the type of person to control a match. He's too much like Gerrard and too hollywood. He's not a bad player but i don't think he will drive you to a championship. He isn't disciplined or controlling enough for DM/CM and he's not good enough to be your main AM ala Ozil.
Why the **** is a Chelsea fan discussing Arsenal on a Liverpool forum thread about Man Utd? #derail #spinelessmods
The Zizou reference was for Eden hazard,i would take it if Ramsey could do a peak gerrard of 03 to 08.Better than the limbo he currents is in.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37953916 Smalling calls Mourinho's bluff and declares himself unavailable #lostthedressingroom
