I watch the same as i played, for the moments Currently play in a vets league and an open age league. Now the vets league is people around my age who have all learned to play the game and some games we win, some games we lose. Our football on a Monday is good as we generally communicate well and all know what we are doing. The results dont really bother me cause we are all there just to enjoy what little time we have playing the game left in the tank. However the open age league game, we spend a lot of games getting absolutletly hammered for speed, strength, technique and spend 50mins back to the wall - but when we win those games it is all the sweeter cause we know deep down we shouldnt be winning those games. Yes i derive the enjoyment watching a group of young fit 20yr olds trying to work out how they lost to us. Like we are saying all depends where you get your enjoyment
They had a world class centre,Torres,Gerrard,Alonso,Mascherano and Reina. Capello had beckham and ronaldos but so what the title he won for los blancos in his last stint was pragmatism at its best. Rafa is not an attack first manager but once he got going he had many moments in a season far more than the likes of post milan capello or jose mourinho in a season at Valencia,Liverpool and Chelsea.
Agree with this, that was a wonder class centre but i said exciting players rather than world class players. Agree again with capello, pragmatic manager. I would say Mourinhos Chelsea 2014/2015 was more exciting than that season of rafas.
Mourinho's style of football is dead It worked when you knew you could buy better quality players than your opponents and take advantage of that in defence and attack Now every PL team can afford an international class player who has a reasonable chance of spanking one in
Not only buy better quality player but have your squad player the duplicate to your first team better than your opponents starting player.
Personally I get a lot of enjoyment from seeing the beautiful game played in a beautiful way. Exciting football, attacking football, clever technique and passing moves etc... It's why I love having a player like Ozil at Arsenal. Even if you aren't winning trophies as regularly as you'd like, you can take great enjoyment from the individual games and individual moments within games when your team has the players and is set up to play entertaining football.
lol who said i worshipped john terry? Because i made your signature worship him? . To be honest i was never a big fan of his, i think he's part of teh reason we've played such defensive football over the years because he's so slow. However i do respect him as a chelsea legend and coming through the ranks as a youth player but in no means is he or has he been my favourite player
Just ironic you dont like Gerrard as he's horrible and self obsessed... yet you don't dislike terry despite him being a horrible person.. nothing to do with football.
It's too simple to say I'd rather watch my team play really good football and not win than win playing ugly. If for 10 years you saw your team play some decent football but lose on a regular basis and do nothing even the purist would get annoyed. I know where saint is coming from, but the most enjoyable part of the game is seeing your team score a goal. You can play as well as you want for 90 minutes but f your continuously not scoring goals you'll never get the same enjoyment as playing horrible for 90 mins but scoring a scrappy scrappy goal, especially if it's a 90th minute winner. People find enjoyment in different things. Some love watching a defensive masterclass, some want to see all out attack. Some want to see win at all cost as. However, saying that, only a few days ago we were al talking about #myfavouritesuarezmoment and it's moments that stick in the mind as prices of skill or plays that you instantly remember and bring back joy. The goal against Newcastle I can't remember if we won that game or not... proves that a moment can bring you more joy. To sum up, I think a moment can be remembered for years no matter the result and brings joy looking back where as most seasons most results are meaningless in the scheme of things so a win at all costs if the football is boring just hold. However some results can bring joy even if meaningless, often by late drama. The Dortmund win meant nothing in the end but we'll remember if for a while due to the drama in the final minutes.
I'll take winning every time I do agree that watching both winning and style is the ice on the cake. in the end no team can have a gorgeous performance every week. in fact watching arsenal in 2004 was very much 15/20 mins of over whelming pace and skill and then the rest of control.
Scoring goals would be part of my definition of playing well. This supports my theory rather than challenges it. Being efficient defensively is playing well in one sense. I'm advocating attractive, entertaining football over negative win-by-any-means pragmatism.
I see you have linked these... and i don't think you can solely correlate the two. I can concede that Jose Mourinho is a win by any means pragmatist (especially when it comes to the big match) and you won't see the purist version of the game with lots of slick intricate passing, great tricks and flicks. However his Chelsea teams have historically scored a lot of goals. I checked his chelsea title winning years, and chelsea were 2nd top scorers in 04/05, joint top scorers in 05/06, and 2nd top scorer in 14/15 and 3rd top scorers in 13/14.
I can have any definition of "playing well" that suits me - as can you. I've made clear what my criteria are. We had 81% possession against Burnley and God knows how many shots but I wouldn't say we played well.
That's fine about your definition, i was asking (well i didn't make it clear), do you equate playing well/scoring goals to attractive football? So can you have attractive football without the goals? I was proving a point that goals doesn't necessarily mean an entertaining brand of football.
