Match Day Thread Trump v Clinton

And what in holy **** is THAT based on?

 

I'm glad you see so many regeneration projects, cos I don't see many. I'm guessing what money does come our way emanates not from the good folk of Slovakia.
Didn't we used to have a fishing industry and our own territorial waters to fish in?
Thank goodness Brussels stopped us from overfishing them and allowed those ethical Spanish to fish them sustainably.

Yours,
Cornelis Vrolijk

 

Well you obviously don't even know what you're looking for. You'd rather trot out the same old, same old...

 

Do you know what you make some decent points at times then revert back to contradiction when you realise youve tried to be sensible.

 

Most Brexiters were either oblivious to, or dismissive of, the original aims of European governance, which wasn't even intended to be wholly about economics. The economics were merely a means to an end.

 

For a start, hopefully abolishing all these workers rights bullshit that cost employers thousands.

 

So illuminate me then....where in Hull can I see these EU funded projects? (And were we not already a majority contributor in that EU funding anyway?)

Was £350 million a lie? If so, what was the correct figure?
Did anyone have a different or correct figure?
A damning indictment of the financial black hole if no one did. "No one really knows how much we put in and no one will sign the books off"

 

Meaning most Labour, Tory and Lib Dems support the EU? Most MPs are either middle-class or upper-class. Just because support for the EU was cross-party, doesn't make it any less elitist. Parliament is the establishment and elitist; both houses. There are little to no true representatives of working-class people in Parliament and the few MPs who did have a working-class upbringing are class-traitors who have bitten the social mobility pill a little too hard.

 

You could make the exact same point about people who voted to remain in the Common Market in 1975. People who supported the EU in the 1970s thought the Common Market was exactly what it said on the tin - a common trade agreement between sovereign European nation states; they thought the economic aspects were the ends, not the means. I highly doubt many in the 1970s envisioned the EU would would become a superstate in the 21st century and to their credit, Tony Benn and other 'hard-left' politicians in the Labour party did know and warned people about it. The EU has always tried to build a new pan-national corporatist empire, right down to the days of the Coal and Steel Community.

 

Yeah, a politician never lied to win votes...

He's adopting a stance to appeal to a certain vote base - the disgruntled bigots who have lashed out and are blaming scapegoats. He knows they've been left behind by the economic policies of previous administrations and so he's tapping into that as his core voter base.

 

Trump even gave money for Hillary's campaigns for the Senate and her previous campaign for the Presidency.

 

Oh, I thought this thread was about the US election, not Brexit. My mistake.

 

If you mean the EU, where did they get the money from?

 

The main aim was for a European Federation. and that is still the end goal. A look at the background of the first chairman and the history of those supporting him should be enough to set the alarm bells ringing.

 

The EU has 27 nations the world has over a hundred. Trading goods will happen or folk will lose jobs. If EU countries lose jobs they will probably vote their own exits. Where free movement comes in is anyones guess. Do we have that to enable us to trade with the USA? Nah ee dont . Its all about the economy, politics will always come second. My 2 bob.

 

'Workers' rights bullshit'. Oh my.

 

It actually does. Not massively, but enough.

 

I'm with Bengals Tiger. Trump will fare a lot better than the media would have you believe (hence the Brexit comparisons). They have contributed to a cultural environment which says the rubes, fools and knaves support the guy who says bad things, but the measured, reasonable, intellectual types vote for the woman who does bad things. A lot of folks know better.

The election will likely come down to which side can "get out the vote," as it always does. Obama would have lost in 2012 had the evangelical Christian block come out in their normal numbers. Alas, many chose to stay home rather than vote for a Mormon. So we were stuck with 4 more years of growing debt, mediocre economic growth, higher taxes, jobs leaving the country, and more statism. We have been piddling along at about a 2% GDP annual growth rate for so long now some take it as the new yardstick for a good economy. Screw that. We can do better. We should do better. We will do better with Trump in the White House. Clinton would just double-down on failed policies.

 

Explain.