The EU debate - Part III

Corbyn shouldn't have been involved in the Remain campaign at all. He's toxic.
He should've excused himself from it and told the truth about why, leaving someone else to give the facts about the whole thing.
There was no effective opposition, as they didn't want to piss off the bullshitters behind it all.
Who's going to snub Murdoch and his mates, when he's the one that puts you in power in the first place?

 

17M voted for it mate, that's a pretty large disgruntled group...

A stronger opposition would have maybe challenged the lies and misinformation harder in the aftermath, and cried foul to the electoral commission, coming at it from the angle that a close contest was skewed by untruths. If they'd have flogged that hard, possibly with legal action, then a second referendum might have been possible.

Too late now though.

 

17m people voted for a variety of different things and a lot of them don't even know what they were voting for.
This thread has shown that, if you filter through the nonsense and abuse!

The Leave campaign basically lumped a whole load of unconnected **** in a pot, much of which didn't even concern the EU.
They then asked people if they wanted to eat what was in that pot.
It's hardly surprising that a lot of people turned it down.

It's the same thing that the Trump campaign is trying to use in the US.
Are you unhappy at all with anything in your life or society and would you like to change it?
Then vote for this orange, mad-haired loon who can't be trusted with his own twitter account!
He'll **** everything up and your own personal issue won't seem like such a big problem anymore.

 

Again, the racists and xenophobes were never going to change their minds. They were a lost cause.

But, those like the ones interviewed in the Bloomberg survey in Sunderland who voted leave because, and I quote, 'If Cameron's for it, we're against' and 'It's got to be better than what we've got now, hasn't it?' They needed somebody they could relate to telling them that, on this occasion Cameron was right, and no it won't be better than what you've got now.

Nobody did!...

 

The Huffington Post said the following in one of their articles back in September;

"We voted ‘Leave’ for control over the laws of this country, and the patronising suggestion we are gullible idiots is quite frankly ridiculous. Remain campaigners should look in the mirror if they want to find a liar. The sooner we get Britain out of the EU, the better."

The myths/lies put out by the remain campaign were responsible for fooling 17m idiots into voting to stay in the EU. Fortunately there were a few hundred thousand less simple minded individuals that weren't so easily led like frightened sheep.

 

They were told what would happen by everyone under the sun.
What was their reaction? Bloody experts, telling us what to do!
They believed the horde of papers telling them a load of old bollocks, instead.

 

Both groups had ample opportunity to convince the electorate, in fact with the high profile backing remain had, you could argue that they effectively had a bigger advantage.
The fact that even with all this backing, they couldn't convince the 17 million that voted against Brexit, demonstrates that people generally want change.
I personally heard nothing from either side, other than a load of complete nonsense, which would have convinced me either way. I based my decision on my own research outside of the constant crap being spouted by both camps.
Why should we now trust the same people who couldn't send a coherent message to the value of remaining, to ignore the referendum and do the right thing?

 

That's why they needed someone they could relate to explaining it to them. Not somebody on TV preaching down to them.

 

Are these the same experts that within hours of the referendum suddenly started to claim the maybe leaving wouldn't quite be the Armageddon they had spent weeks claiming?

 

Posted by the bloke who was earlier arguing that the judges call was correct but the woman who brought the case was a self serving whore.

I'll leave that hanging......

 

You can have as many big names as you like, but you'll lose if the media's pushing the other agenda.
The Remain campaign was on the defensive, while the Leave campaign threw out a ton of bullshit.
People listened to crap like the £350m for the NHS, unfortunately.

 

Who would that have been, though? Politicians tried, experts tried, celebrities tried, normal people tried.

 

No?

 

I was saying that I don't believe she brought the legal challenge because her primary concern was for the future of democracy in the UK.

Are you really suggesting that because the judges made the decision they did, her true motives were/are transparent? If so, then that just validates the Huffington Post's claim that remain voters are gullible.

 

Even with all of the media alternative agenda, that still does not equate to 17 million votes.
I genuinely think that the remain side thought it was a done deal and the voters would "toe the line" when the time came.

 

Unfortunately yes

 

Mate, you took time to evaluate the whole thing and make a decision that you thought was right for your and your family's economic future.

Some did that and still voted to leave, I take no issue with that. I disagree with their decision, but if they thought it through and still came to that decision, fair enough.

But too many voted out for all the wrong reasons. In that I include the racists and xenophobes. But also those who voted to leave for totally uninformed reasons like those I listed above.

As Tobes has pointed out, it is these mostly working class people who will be hit hardest by the coming economic downturn. Nobody they could relate to explained that to them properly.

 

The 17m votes come from decades of the media blaming the EU for everything.
Add that to years of voters feeling like they've been ignored by the major parties.
Some people bought the Leave campaign's crap, while others just wanted something to change.
They believed that the EU was somehow to blame for the UK government screwing them over.

 

Maybe your comments above are why people vote to leave. Just because they don't have the same views as you, it does not make them any less "normal"

 

I didn't imply that they were, though a lot of the Leave voters on here make me wonder.
The normal people part of my comment was in contrast with politicians, celebrities and experts, not with leave voters.