The EU debate - Part III

You're bang right on this.

Our voting system is archaic and stacked in favour of the historic parties. It makes it virtually impossible for a new force to emerge, as UKIP proved with their 1 MP.

The problem is that Turkeys don't vote for Christmas and there's no will from either of the big 2 to change it to a more representative system.

 

That would work if everyone else did that too, but they don't - they vote for who they want to win. This has the effect of creating division rather than compromise.

 

So Cameron didn't understand the Law either then

 

Just to be clear on this it is currently the case that Parliament is the only body in the country that can make or repeal laws. If we are going to have binding referenda then that will have to be enacted each time there is one or there needs to be a general law change to give the Executive powers to amend laws following referenda. The former is hugely preferable. The problem with the remain/leave referendum is that this wasn't dealt with in advance

 

No, they didn't.

No terms of our exit were ever discussed beforehand. And Cameron was clearly talking out of his arse.

 

Another way of putting this is that I think it is almost always true that the 'least hated' candidate would make a better MP than the 'most liked' one.

 

I think you do get elements of tactical voting in some constituencies.

'If I vote for them, so and so is liable to get in. So I'll vote for whoever I think has the best chance of stopping who I don't want to win'

 

https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/a-readers-guide-to-****-the-sun-writes-f5778a6a3ab8#.lhvjtdfrk
Some will dismiss this as looney lefty but tbh I don't think he is wrong

 

It's the usual rabble rousing garbage from the likes of The Fail and The Sun, who's owners are rabidly anti-EU.

I'll translate;

"Three toffs, one of whom is a ****ta by the way, are deliberately trying to take away your rights to kick all the muzzies and foreign scum out of our great country"

"We're not standing for this, are we? Storm the barricades, now!"

 

I prefer a regional system where more than one candidate gets elected. Like in the Netherlands.

If say your constituency returned 3 seats then your example would return a left, right and centrist. Therefore everyone would feel they are represented without compromise.

 

Yes - but that does mean political parties tend to have more influence.

The very worst system is the one we currently have, particularly in elections for councils with more than one vacancy where 35% of the vote can be enough to win all three seats in some circumstances

 

He's bang on there.

It's a disgrace that these rags are allowed to constantly print this slanted piffle, that the thick with xenophobic and racist leanings will lap up.

The right wing press in this country is way out of hand. Today they've excelled themselves with their bile filled garbage on yesterdays court case.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37872899
Tory MP and leave voter chucks his hand in due to the Govt's stance on Brexit

"I and many others did not exercise our vote in the referendum so as to restore the sovereignty of this Parliament only to see what we regarded as the tyranny of the European Union replaced by that of a Government that apparently wishes to ignore the views of the House on the most important issue facing the nation."

Someone let fatty know, that theTories are in complete disarray

 

But, but, but.........the Tories are united and in power and running the country and everything is right with the world.

Someone better call social services.

 

You've changed your tune. I thought we voted for Brexit because we are all raving Nazi racists and it was all about immigration and getting rid of those pesky foreigners?

 

Leavers accepting their defeat with the expected good grace.

'Horrendous' Death Threats Made Against Anti-Brexit Campaigner After Article 50 Ruling

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...-article-50-ruling/ar-AAjRMpE?ocid=spartandhp

 

The reason no terms of exit were discussed is because they arrogantly though it would never happen.

 

I agree.

Cameron was sure he would win, as he did in Scotland. He ****ed up .

In his partial defence, I would say that even that sack of ****e, Farage, didn't expect to win. He was as surprised as anybody.

 

And this is what concerns me with the whole sorry mess of Brexit, which even after yesterday's ruling, which in my opinion will only add to further uncertainty, is how out of touch our MP's are.

 

I've never said you were ALL raving Nazi's though....

What I have said throughout is that many had immigration as their prime concern, and some of those for all the wrong reasons