The EU debate - Part III

You do realise that one of them was a Leave voter don't you?

Maybe not

 

And some now busily working towards brexit voted remain.

 

Mate, the Fail and Sun readers don't get that these judges are concerned with only a point of law.

Whether the public voted to leave or to stay in the EU is totally irrelevant to them and their decision.

Their deliberations were solely on the point of law. Nothing else.

 

The judiciary are merely there to provide clarification on any constitutional issues that require clarity.

May should have just taken this to the House in the first place, which was the obvious requirement and saved them the task of pointing out that she's not a dictator and thus can't deny UK citizens rights without Parliaments backing.

 

So what?

You said about the court case that; "The people bringing the case were not doing on constitutional or democratic principles, it was purely self serving"

Maybe the Tory rags you read failed to point out that one of the 2 citizens who bought the case was a Leave voter, so your statement above is absolute horse ****.

 

Hull has completely missed the point on this one.
The delays are due to a government trying to avoid doing things properly by going through parliament.

 

Touchy. There's really no need to leap to Herr Peter's defence. He can't see anyone who has pointed out what he is.

 

There is no doubt that the referendum result gives the Executive a mandate to leave the EU but surely you don't think that it overturns years of precedent and somehow gives the Executive powers to remove Laws from the statute book. If the Govt wins an appeal we would be exactly in that position. I don't understand why anyone, including the Govt would think that was a good thing. They are trying to retrospectively correct an omission in the Referendum Act. Actually it might have affected the way people voted if they knew it was going to give extra powers to the Executive

 

I don't call it democracy when the country is governed by a minority!
I voted for the Alternative vote but that is only a small improvement on the current system. What we really need is a separation of the executive from the legislature and a means of choosing both that requires a majority to be involved.

 

I think having a referendum and then not acting on the result is madness. What is the point of a referendum?

 

In that case. Do you think that some of the MPs who wanted to remain, may vote against invoking article 50 should it come to a parliamentary motion ?

 

Small improvement? It would be massive. It would take the power away from parties and in favour of individuals.

 

I don't read much in what you describe as tory rags too often, which make the rest of your false assumption claim just diversionary ****e.

 

You are missing the point. I agree that the Executive has to act but it has to do so within the law. It is trying to give itself powers that it doesn't have, due entirely to its own mistakes.

 

It's quite likely some will. Depending how it's worded, it's a possibility some MP's that voted leave will vote against it.

And the opposite is possible in both cases.

 

I agree. I think referendums are important and not just about idle curiosity.

 

How is that diversionary? You've made a stupid assumption based on not knowing the facts and created a false narrative as a result, accusing those who brought the case of being self serving. You were wrong (yet again), get over it

 

It's pretty much always governed by a minority. The nearest we've come to a majority of the people being in support of something is brexit.

 

You claim my reading material as a fact, when it's only your assumption and contradicts what I've posted. You're more guilty of your allegation than I am.

It's just a diversion by you.

 

Which is of course why the major parties opposed it. But the reason I think it's only a small improvement is that it doesn't properly encourage participation. I usually find that I have little preference between some of the candidates but oppose one or two strongly. The AV system still requires me to guess which order to put my votes in so that my preferred candidates are not knocked out early on