I've just been on the road for an hour with the radio on and ALL that's been on, is floods of Spuds coming on slating Poch. One called him incompetent, another said he had no plan A let alone a plan B. One guy described last night's performance as absolutely dire. The worst experience of his life since Christian Gross turned up to his inaugural spuds press conference holding an underground ticket! Is it time for Poch out? Spuds fans were saying they need a manager with more ambition!!
Wumming aside for once, Poch's a great manager. He made Soton into a decent team (which they have remained). Soton isn't Portsmouth's bitch anymore. Then he moved to Spurs and improved them dramatically. Have Spurs forgot the recent managers before Poch? Martin Jol, Redknapp, AVB, Tim Sherwood? Poch is easily your best manager in recent years and would be hard to improve on. I would worry if United take him from you. Poch with their budget would win the league.
I don't think there is much opposition to Poch on here (dress code aside) but you are alone if you put Harry and Martin Jol in the same bracket as AVB and Dim Tim. Both are greatly admired for the work they did in turning around our fortunes.
Pochettino has mastered the defensive aspect of his system, If you want a manager to make your team difficult to beat, great fitness levels and bring through youth - Pochettino is your man. If you want a manager to actually achieve success, win trophies, manage big name players and win the big games, Pochettino fails - he is similar to Martin Jol, they both crash and burn when the pressure is on. Spurs could go the entire league season unbeaten but finish 5th, would fans think Pochettino is a great manager? Some would.
Were you listening to TalkShite? Those programs attract the idiots who expect instant success, or who don't understand, let alone appreciate, the success that is happening before their very eyes. Poch has been, by far and away, the best manager I have ever seen at Spurs, in my life-time, in other words, the best since Bill Nicolson. What Poch has done to transform the fortunes of Sprus has been nothing short of remarkable. He has turned us from a team that the likes of United and 'Pool used to turn up against to take the piss, into one that these same teams now park the bus and treat us with respect. Okay, so we're not doing as well as most of us would like to see, but we're unbeaten in the league, and a mere 3 points from the top ffs! That is something that us Yids could only dream about a mere three seasons' ago! It only takes a handful of idiot fans to make the rest of us look delusional ingrates. Fortunately, we don't have as many as the likes of United, Chelsea and 'Pool, but the more success we achieve the more of them that will come out of the woodwork, I daresay.
Perhaps it's a case of Spurs fans having a different opinion than rivals. I remember Jol and Redknapp widely being mocked. I don't think anyone mocks the pochs, not genuinely anyway.
because he finished a season with 70 points, no trophies and bottling every big game? What about the managers during the 70's & 80's who won trophies? or Venables ?
You have to take into account that HIAG has a 'scratch the surface knowledge' of football. He gets most of his info from the gossip pages from the BBC website.
i am pretty sure you started a thread on the spurs board claiming Poch was out of his depth at spurs, and that was only a few months after he started, so it is a bit rich of you to slag of other people for wanting instant success when you yourself wanted him out in his first season.
Really ? What about Kieth Burkinshaw ? Are you saying that no trophies poch is better than a manager who won two FA cups and the UEFA cup ? He also brought Glenn hoddle (your hero) and Ardiles and Villa to Spurs. Your lack of knowledge about your club is shameful, but not altogether surprising.
He acted as manager of Tottenham HotspurFootball club from 14 July 1976 to 31 May 1984, where he won more major football competitions than all but one other Spurs manager (that being Bill Nicholson). Spurs were relegated in Burkinshaw's first year in charge but bounced straight back for promotion the following year. He signed two ArgentineWorld Cup stars, Osvaldo Ardiles and Ricardo Villa, in 1978. It was considered a brave move but Ardiles would become one of the Spurs greats and Villa would score one of the greatest goals ever seen at Wembley in the 1981 FA Cup Final replay. Burkinshaw's Spurs, with Ardiles, Villa and Glenn Hoddle, won two successive FA Cups (81 & 82). In his final game in charge, Spurs won the UEFA Cup (1984) for a second time after a penalty shoot-out after the second leg at White Hart Lane Thats a manager who deserves real respect, sticks with the club through relegation, bounces back, wins major trophies, signs great players and does it in style with players like Hoddle. How any football fan can claim Pochettino is a better manager because his team draws games (instead of losing) is laughable.
i have a funny feeling it got deleted as there was quite a bit of arguing going on the thread about it, and it ran for a while, with even his own fans having a go at him for not giving the man a chance.
It was Question Time actually OK that's a reasonable post HIAG, so I'll respond in kind. I think Poch is a top manager, absolutely no doubt about it mate. BUT I do think if Poch can't get you winning trophies (and reaching milestones expected of big clubs like making the knockout of the CL with ease) then what does that say about Spurs? No disrespect but time and time again, and now, everything about Spurs gives the impression there is a hoodoo over the club whether you lack that self-belief, or whether you can't handle the pressure, that you just don't look like ever quite reaching the level you should.
I know this is a wum thread but here's my attempt to be sensible. 1) Keith Burkinshaw would never survive in today's football. I was around 8 or 9 when he became our manager. He was relegated in his first or second season, got promoted the following year by the skin of his teeth. In our first season back between September and xmas we lost 4-1 at home to villa, 5 nil at home to Arsenal and 7 nil away at anfield. Yet the club kept faith in him. It took us 3 matches to get past non league Altringham in 1980 yet the club kept faith in him. And in 81-84 it all came good for him and Spurs. Imho he is the best manager in my time of supporting spurs as I was 6 or 7 when Bill Nicholson resigned. 2) Hoddle was already at spurs when Keith Burkinshaw took over. It was actually Terry Neil (boo hiss) that gave him his debut in 76. When Burkinshaw left spurs saying in protest at the commercialisation of football he was right. I genuinely feel that the position we are now in (top 4 being worth more than a trophy) and will be in (european league) has made football less interesting and too expensive for most of us...but the I am an old git going off topic!
I think the argument about how well managers from the past would fair in today's game is difficult to apply. They were products of their own time and can only really be judged on that time. I'm glad you recognise the success that Burkinshaw had at Spurs, because it seems to have orbited over HIAGs head.
Go over to the spurs board and their fans claim Pochettino would do a better job with any of the squads spurs have had since the 60's - are they are real? how on earth can anyone say that? Pochettino has proved he can manage kids and make a team difficult to beat, but how would he manage Hoddle, Gazza or Berbatov? He wouldn't know how to manage these type of players. Dembele/Dier/Kane/Rose/Vertonghen/Eriksen/Lloris//Lamela all at the club when Pochettino arrived and David Pleat signed Dele Alli. How would Pochettino fare if he had to sign players? Son, Janssen, Sissoko, N'jie....
Have no idea which spurs fans have claimed Pochettino would be better than any spurs manager since the 60s...especially as Bill Nicholson was our manager until 1974...and as he is our greatest ever manager and recognised as one of the great managers in general I would suggest no genuine spurs fans would say anything so stupid. I do not understand why you have quoted what I said about Burkinshaw not signing Hoddle...or why you then compared that to Pochettino and our current team...I was not comparing Burkinshaw (2 fa cup wins and uefa cup and our manager for 8 yrs) with Pochettino (no trophies and 2 yrs)...I was just letting Piskie know as part of the chat.
