Kloppy Floppy Poppy Stroppy

Seems like some of ze German Fifa representatives are trying beligerently to block the home nations football teams adorning the poppy - a peaceful remembrance symbol - for their OWN political aims.

Surprised nobody has mentioned this on here. Is it important or not? Are the jurgens right to say this is a political symbol or is our PM right to say this is political correctness gone stark raving bonkers mad?

 

I don't think it's a political symbol, rather than a symbol of remembrance. I can see what FIFA are trying to do, but they are using a blanket rule, when it needs to be nuanced. That said, somebody earlier raised a hypothetical 'what if' and said, how would it be viewed if Argentina wanted to display a symbol to their fallen in the Falklands war when they were playing England ?

 

I'd have no problem with it to be honest. I always see symbols such as this as not just a remembrance of those who have sacrificed their lives, but also to remember how terrible war is, in terms of the waste of human life. It keeps (some) us honest and reminds us when arseholes want to drive us towards conflict, that we should think of the consequences.

 

I blame the Kopites.

 

Maybe you could ask the Schwein over at OT trebs.

 

I did, he thinks kloppy flops too

 

No need to get into a war of words over this, plenty of ways for us to honour our fallen. The media want to create some news and should back the **** off.

 

As far as I see it, it's not a celebration of victory. It's just rememberance of those who gave their lives in a war.

In which case, what's the problem?...

 

No one has offered any bribes?

 

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That sounds, sadly, like it could be close to the truth...

 

I agree with this. And I wouldn't have a problem with it either. My only concern is that remembrance symbols are touted as being a 'reminder of the horrors of war' so that it 'never happens again' and yet it's happening around the world in front of our eyes today.

There's a part of me that feels that what should be simply remembrance for those who died, is used as flag waving exercise for the military.

 

I think politics should be kept out of sport.

 

Absolutely, I don't have a problem with remembrance as such but why any particular war and particular fallen? what about all the others in the world are you going to spend all your life individually remembering every war and the fallen.

The way I see the best way to remember is to stop people like ISIS, Blair's, Bushes and so on taking people to war in the first place for the benefits of the companies that wait around like vultures for the aftermath, stopping war these days would be remembering people who have fallen in the past and remembering how terrible the affect it has on the people involved.

 

To be honest all this post shows is them and us really, how are they doing it for their own political aims? if people want to do it that's fine but it should be kept out of sports because war and remembrance has nothing to do with two teams playing/competing on the field.

 

The wrongness , in the big picture , is being told " You Can't Wear Something " . Its a simple human freedom of expression ...wear it if you want , not if you don't ....Being told you can't with a broad brush is the problem IMO

 

Regardless of all that Flanders. It does not make the poppy anything more than a gesture to remember the fallen. Nothing to do with the bigger picture of corrupt politicians.

 

In the last 10 years there has been a change in attitudes re Remembrance day commemoration / poppy appeal in that , as Piskie pointed out , there has been an attempt to hitch a pro military attitude to the commemoration which i view with some distaste. In my opinion it came as a result of the publics distaste for the Iraq conflict and was an attempt to "restore pride" in the armed services.

all of which is just a feeling i have and is in no way meant to denigrate the past and present members of the armed services.

 

Good shout Piskie, that's very true and I hadnt consciously noticed why I was uncomfortable with the jingoistic rhetoric around remembrance day in recent years but you've hit the nail on the head.