Off Topic Brexit

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Toon_Man_Sam1

Toon_Man_Sam1

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Looks like the Remainers will have their way and force the majority of voters to stay within in the EU because they couldn't swallow defeat.

I voted for brexit and unlike some of the pussies out their, I haven't regretted my decision because of the manipulation of the £'s value going down or all the other scare tactics used. I strongly believe the quicker we envoke article 50 the quicker we can start preparing to become one of the most powerful nations in the world.

But no, the self-entitled b1tches who couldn't deal with defeat, who went protesting, who over dramatise everything could accept it. Had we voted to stay, I can personally say I would have accepted the decision of the British Public as would most, however democracy is dead, this country is a joke. 6 years the UK have failed to meet air pollution regulations, this year Fracking has been granted approval. Waves of economical migrants have flooded Europe, Terror attacks, wars, dictatorships. I can honestly say this world is a disgusting place and it will only continue to worsen
 
****ing hell, what a load of drivel. There are very few MPs who would vote against triggering Article 50, they are simply saying that the terms of Brexit are something that should be discussed and voted on by all MPs and not by bulldozered through on the whim of the unelected (even by her own party) PM. Democracy in action.

And I'm sure had Remain won by less than 2% Nigel Farage and UKIP would have just disbanded and never mention leaving the EU ever again.
 
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Toon_Man_Sam1 said:
Looks like the Remainers will have their way and force the majority of voters to stay within in the EU because they couldn't swallow defeat.

I voted for brexit and unlike some of the pussies out their, I haven't regretted my decision because of the manipulation of the £'s value going down or all the other scare tactics used. I strongly believe the quicker we envoke article 50 the quicker we can start preparing to become one of the most powerful nations in the world.

But no, the self-entitled b1tches who couldn't deal with defeat, who went protesting, who over dramatise everything could accept it. Had we voted to stay, I can personally say I would have accepted the decision of the British Public as would most, however democracy is dead, this country is a joke. 6 years the UK have failed to meet air pollution regulations, this year Fracking has been granted approval. Waves of economical migrants have flooded Europe, Terror attacks, wars, dictatorships. I can honestly say this world is a disgusting place and it will only continue to worsen
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I voted remain

You won

Get over it
 
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Think this is the right way to do it to be honest. This was an advisory referendum to provide the British citizens view on staying or exiting the EU. Its now up to the government to negotiate the terms and debate these and vote on them. I am sure they will respect the majority view that the UK wants out. There are some logistical issues lthat will cause problems like as we cant negotiate before triggering Article 50 how do they vote to trigger it if they dont know what they are voting for. Probably have to have a vote to trigger and one to accept agreed terms.
 
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****ing hell, what a load of drivel. There are very few MPs who would vote against triggering Article 50, they are simply saying that the terms of Brexit are something that should be discussed and voted on by all MPs and not by bulldozered through on the whim of the unelected (even by her own party) PM. Democracy in action.

And I'm sure had Remain won by less than 2% Nigel Farage and UKIP would have just disbanded and never mention leaving the EU ever again.
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I would have accepted it, and I would expect UKIP and Farage to accept it, I think failure to accept it would alienate them and ruin them as a party (which it seems like they are doing all by themselves anyway!)

I think it's extremely naïve to think that MPs wont vote in favour of staying in the EU, this is simply the start, it will be eased in slowly and over many months. I for one would like another general election because so much has changed (and will change) in such a short period of time and you are correct, we currently have an unelected PM.

I just worry that this will be the start of a reversal in decision.
 
Toon_Man_Sam1 said:
I would have accepted it, and I would expect UKIP and Farage to accept it, I think failure to accept it would alienate them and ruin them as a party (which it seems like they are doing all by themselves anyway!)

I think it's extremely naïve to think that MPs wont vote in favour of staying in the EU, this is simply the start, it will be eased in slowly and over many months. I for one would like another general election because so much has changed (and will change) in such a short period of time and you are correct, we currently have an unelected PM.

I just worry that this will be the start of a reversal in decision.
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Just about all the MPs I've heard speak on Brexit have said they respect the decision and we'll have to come out (despite most of them believing it better that we remain). I don't even think it's that big a deal anyway as it's fairly obvious where we would start the negotiations, i.e. we want full control of our borders and we want full tariff-free access to the common market. The EU will say no, then away they will go for 2 years going back and forth and the end result will probably be somewhere in between. It will be the very definition of democracy: everybody getting what nobody wants.
 
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Toon_Man_Sam1 said:
Looks like the Remainers will have their way and force the majority of voters to stay within in the EU because they couldn't swallow defeat.

I voted for brexit and unlike some of the pussies out their, I haven't regretted my decision because of the manipulation of the £'s value going down or all the other scare tactics used. I strongly believe the quicker we envoke article 50 the quicker we can start preparing to become one of the most powerful nations in the world.

But no, the self-entitled b1tches who couldn't deal with defeat, who went protesting, who over dramatise everything could accept it. Had we voted to stay, I can personally say I would have accepted the decision of the British Public as would most, however democracy is dead, this country is a joke. 6 years the UK have failed to meet air pollution regulations, this year Fracking has been granted approval. Waves of economical migrants have flooded Europe, Terror attacks, wars, dictatorships. I can honestly say this world is a disgusting place and it will only continue to worsen
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I think the opposite would have been a sign that democracy was dead. I didn't (and don't) want to leave, but leave won so I have accepted that we will be. However, I think the terms of where we go from here should be done democratically and not forced through based on what the Tories want. The EU vote was a cross-party campaign, with people from many parties on both sides of the debate. It would be wrong to then just ignore democracy and leave an unelected PM to force through the terms she wanted, with no regard to how they affect every aspect of people's lives, from every political and social background.
 
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I am so tired of hearing people say 'we won, stop moaning, that's democracy'.

The point of democracy is you can argue and continue to fight a cause or point of view. When an election takes place, losing opposition parties still continue to argue their point with the hope and desire of making change that aligns with their ideology. If we held an election, voted someone in and then said 'all you who lost, you no longer have a say' then THAT would be the dictatorships you are apparently against.

And, finally, those in charge and who voted leave need to stop thinking they own leaving the EU. An elected Government, in theory, govern for the entire country, not just those who voted for them at the ballot box. A lot of people voted for remain and the Government should being taking their view in to account when negotiating the exit, not turning into a Brexiteer cottage industry. We, as a nation, elect our MPs to govern for us, not to be excluded in the most important political process in our lifetimes. They HAVE to be included for the sake of our democratic process. Every other piece of legislation has to pass through the commons, so should this.

Also, leaving the EU is not a simple matter. Just saying we should just invoke article 50 and get on with it is nothing but naive. The Government has already demonstrated it doesn't have any idea what it is doing and needs time to plan for the process. Getting on with it is reckless (as is the this whole leaving debacle).
 
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I'm certain the government will carry out the majority wish here.
There may just be a few rougher edges to the exit than at first thought.
 
Voted Out but think this is the right way to go about it needs to be discussed and debated because its a huge decision and I dont trust the Tories. We will leave eventually OR negotiate a stronger deal for us to stay.

As someone said it was an advisory ballot for the public and if we end up staying but with more provisions for our own border control and more control of our own laws (e.g. tampon tax) I wouldn't bat an eyelid in all honesty. If we end up staying on the same deal though, I will be the next Guy Fawkes...
 
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G4rdToonArmy said:
Voted Out but think this is the right way to go about it needs to be discussed and debated because its a huge decision and I dont trust the Tories. We will leave eventually OR negotiate a stronger deal for us to stay.

As someone said it was an advisory ballot for the public and if we end up staying but with more provisions for our own border control and more control of our own laws (e.g. tampon tax) I wouldn't bat an eyelid in all honesty. If we end up staying on the same deal though, I will be the next Guy Fawkes...
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Obviously everyone was entitled to vote as they wished but if you don't trust the tories then you shouldn't have given them 100% control of our country in my opinion

They will crap on the north
 
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I'm very interested to see what Corbyn has to say on this.

Article 50 is going in, parliament simply cannot expect to remain employed, or peace on the streets, if they attempt to overturn the result of a referendum.
 
G4rdToonArmy said:
Voted Out but think this is the right way to go about it needs to be discussed and debated because its a huge decision and I dont trust the Tories. We will leave eventually OR negotiate a stronger deal for us to stay.

As someone said it was an advisory ballot for the public and if we end up staying but with more provisions for our own border control and more control of our own laws (e.g. tampon tax) I wouldn't bat an eyelid in all honesty. If we end up staying on the same deal though, I will be the next Guy Fawkes...
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I actually think that those who voted leave have the most to gain from this outcome. They voted leave because of strongly held views about immigration and EU laws. There is a strong chance that a deal that wasn't scrutinised by parliament could end up with us leaving and then being forced to accept a trade deal that allowed free movement of people and following EU laws - just without us having a say on them.
 
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I think this thread should be taken down before people start removing friends and hating eachother again

Everyone is going to be acting like a master of politics again for a day or two

Puke
 
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Given the Referendum was "advisory" not "binary" there was no legal precedent to go ahead without Parliamentary approval.

Therefore it's correct that there should be vote - albeit, I'd totally agree that politicians want to think long and hard about how they vote - i.e. in line with their constituency result and not based on their own feelings.

If that happens then it is a sad day for democracy.

I voted leave by the way, and feel that this is right way to go - we can't go on about the democratic process which saw leave win, then ignore it when it suits our purposes i.e. by invoking Article 50 without due process
 
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(Not) Bigi In The Middle said:
Given the Referendum was "advisory" not "binary" there was no legal precedent to go ahead without Parliamentary approval.

Therefore it's correct that there should be vote - albeit, I'd totally agree that politicians want to think long and hard about how they vote - i.e. in line with their constituency result and not based on their own feelings.

If that happens then it is a sad day for democracy.

I voted leave by the way, and feel that this is right way to go - we can't go on about the democratic process which saw leave win, then ignore it when it suits our purposes i.e. by invoking Article 50 without due process
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Best of 3?
 
It will happen it is just about how. The resulting chaos from not leaving would be too much and the government know this. You'd have anarchy.
 
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