The Premier league has negative effects on football. A way of negating those would be via a windfall tax on the EPL and then redistributing money throughout the pyramid and in particular its grass roots. No more begging for crumbs off the EPL gravy train and being dictated to by a small number of clubs. Wishful thinking.
But hasn't it always been that way ? The old first division was always the deciding factor in any major new decision making, back in the day. And that was determined by conclusions that arrived from international football (and still is) such as goal line technology, pass backs to goaly etc whatever Change in football has alway come from the top, and who is to say they are wrong ? Personally I believe football has changed for the better, with the Champions League giving our best clubs a fresh challenge. I think the proof of that is Leicester City winning the league last year. To see a cinderella club running off with the big prize is a joy without price. If our national side had a bit more…..but then I lay the blame for that squarely at the door of the FA, who to my mind are just a clutch of self serving amateurs (a bit like our government, but thats a different thread). Our team, who fluctuate historically between mid Championship/l2nd division and lower league 1/or 3rd div are currently being given the push that SL, bless him, has been promising for a few years now. Exciting times are ahead. This is no time for lily livered humbugs. Rise to the challenge of our football club, and savour the moment because no matter who you are, United, Barca, Milan, Bayern, NOBODY has success unlimited or forever. We are on a wave. Enjoy it. Because it sure won't last forever
The answer is no. The top level did not dictate how football clubs were to run their youth set up e.g EPPP and what % of TV revenue is dedicated to grass roots football. Both have damaged football nationally in this Country for the next decade at least. BCFC run its own academy to the rules the EPL set out. The Premier league was supposed to be beneficial to the FA and the national team. It has usurped both. Change in many Countries does not come from the top it comes from its FA's e.g Spain.
A campaign for goal line technology was initiated by FIFA because of a string of injustices at international level (Mr Lampard sir). That is fact. Important and wide reaching decisions on changes in the way football is played or overseen originates from major international competitions like the World Cup, and is implemented through FIFA. For example, the pass back, the fourth official, upgraded physiologies of the actual ball itself, changes in the offside law, all initiated from the top. When was the last major law change to the game introduced by the Football League ? I am not talking about the way clubs are run
When was the last major law change to the game introduced by the Football League ? Rules and governance are down to the FA. The FA can alter rules, and on occasions have but there is next to no benefit on having differing rules to Europe which has happened e.g. the back pass. I am not talking about the way clubs are run ... The EPL is making decisions on how footballs structure Is run and thus clubs v the FA/FL. The EPL has also reinterpreted rules put in place by EUFA ... According to the EPL Cesc Fabregas was English.
If you're saying the EPL has more clout than FIFA, sorry but I don't believe that. Aside from that, just what the hell are you saying, because this just reads like a childish pissing contest
What I am saying is that the EPLs influence is detrimental to football particularly in the foundation and youth stages. The EPL dictates how football in England is run, not for a common good, but for itself and that influence extends to EUFA not FIFA. It is not EUFA putting B teams in competitions, it is not the FA creating the EPPP etc.
So when have B teams arrived in competitions in England ? Did I miss something ? EPL may have an influence over EUFA, but when something important concerning the actual playing of the game arrives it is from International football that the influence stems (i.e. the top of the game), and that is ultimately the jurisdiction of FIFA. That is what I'm saying. We are talking at cross-purposes
Are you telling me you're not aware of the B teams in the JPT (or whatever it's called these days)? It's clear the EPL has too much power and is motivated entirely by self-interest, with a (comparatively) pitiful amount of resource given to those areas which need the vast sums of money being invested. It's too short-sighted to realise that by pumping money into grassroots, and possibly the EFL as well, they could end up seeing long-term benefits themselves. As for EPPP, I think it most likely began with the best intentions, but has been ridiculously implemented, as we all knew it would be.
The JPT, or Piss Pot Trophy (as I tend to refer to it) ? No, but if we're talking about real competitions, there are no B teams in the league or the actually professional cup competitions are there. Only the joke ones As for the EPL, oh, you mean its not a perfect world ? The reason we have players like Sanchez, Ozil, Coutinho, Aguero, De Gea, Pogba, Hazard and Kante playing in England is because of the money on offer. You are probably too young to remember life in our top division after our standards dropped mid-80s and then Wimbledon introduced a new type of game to these shores. Dave Bassett, Graham Taylor, the long ball, playing percentages ? It was only because of the foreign wizards arriving here that we didn't just get left behind by the rest of world football. Its not written in stone that we will maintain the interest in this country in our national game if the standards drop enough. lack of interest in football here opens the door to infatuation in other pastimes. Don't forget, Hungary were once the crowning glory of world football, and Brazil are not the force they once were (as indeed are England also). We have no divine right to playing Germany, Argentina and Italy on a level playing field, so if our standards are boosted by the inspiration of playing with or against a world class player whose name we can't pronounce, then frankly we need to take that opportunity the same as Italy did in the late 80s. And if cash is the issue then thankfully we have that market place because Hungary do not
Right. Except that the JPT is (or at least was) a real competition, that provided me with some of my most memorable moments as a City fan. You can turn your nose up at it if you like (as do most of the Prem 'fans') but its intention was to give the lower league clubs a chance of success, which has been great in my eyes. As for the EPL comments, I'm not even sure what side you're on, you seem to contradict yourself. Put it this way, I'd rather have the point of crossover than before or after. The 90's had it relatively spot on, enough money and exposure to give an exciting spectacle on TV, with healthy competition, some world class players from across the globe, a great platform for British youth to impress, and a national team which subsequently profited as a result. Instead, we have an EPL which is nearly a foregone conclusion every year (except for the notable outlier of last season), world class players which consistently fail to produce against other top leagues on the continent (though tbf this is fairly irrelevant), next to no chance of British talent getting a chance and a national team which has gone tits up. Just because in your opinion it was worse in the 80's doesn't mean that it isn't a complete shambles at the moment. Couldn't care less about the Premier League personally, and the only time I would give a **** is if we were in it.
IT WAS a fantastic little competition gave a little bit more revenue ..still does of course ..to lower leagues and the carrot of the final at Wemglee and a semi final to swell the cdoffers .. NOW IT IS SPOILT BT "B" TEAMS WHOSE GATES I DONT THINK HAVE BEEN THAT PRODUCTIVE!
Dave Bassett, Graham Taylor, the long ball, playing percentages ? It is called Pomo. The position of maximum opportunity. It could be argued that as a footballing (?) philosophy it waned not because of foreign coaches but because it was crap, and ultimately short sighted. Graham Taylor is forever tainted by his use of Carlton Palmer and Geoff Thomas for England. By the nineties many many football fans including BCFC's wanted none of that at their clubs - It was a Gas and Gerry Francis thing and derided by fans at Ashton Gate when the likes of Cambridge visited. England has been left behind as a football nation. The influx of foreign players has inhibited the development of English players. The EPL also bent the rules on quotas in squads (not XI's) e,g, Cesc Fabregas is English not French to allow clubs to bring in ever more foreign players. It is self defeating if we want as a nation to catch up. A means of offsetting the damage would be wider investment in the grass roots of football, coaching, sports science and development and infra structure by using a small % of TV's income ... A idea vetoed as unnecessary by Richard Scudamore of the EPL. Sheer greed and selfishness.
Years ago, they had a competition called the Watney cup- It was a great idea and we did play in it at times. To qualify, if I remember rightly, clubs who didn't go up but were the two highest scorers in their league would enter from each divison. it was fairly seeded the too- Todays Championship side would play away to league 2 sides and League 1 sides would be home to the Premier league sides. Winners then played off in a final. I think the gas even won it one year. There was also the Anglo Scottish Cup that we won. Always seemed to play against St Mirren. The JPT ( or by varying names) was my first taste of City cup success back in 1986. Allowed me to fulfill my dream of seeing City play at the old Wembley (v Stoke, even though we lost, the goal me and my son went mental when se scored) see us winning a cup ( v Carlisle at Millenium 2003) and Winning at Wembley 2015 v Walsall. It allows the small clubs and their fans an opportunity they might never otherwise get and ought to be given that respect.
Always laugh when fans rubbish the tin pot cup, but two years ago we was all there. I like it but find that this introduction of B teams will ruin it. The JPT or as it was the Freight Rover cup was introduced so that the smaller teams in league 3 & 4 at the time had something to aim for other than pot luck getting a league one at the time in the FA cup. If memory serves me there was also another called the Simod cup I think that was out of league 2 I think and another.
If you ever are fortunate enough to witness City playing the Premiership, you may have different thoughts on this (and I sincerely hope you do witness it)
Saw Gow play at the top level for City but like others many of my memorable and enjoyable experiences were not then. some of the great days out were in the league cup like Bradford and the Freight Rover at Wembley or what is was called. Both competition the Premiership has meddled in and ****ed up for others. supporting a side like City should mean we do not act like the arrogant glory hunters of Man Utd and Chelsea as weve seen the other side and know the downsides. doubt playing at Arsenal or Chelsea and being asked fifty quid for it to watch average play for tens of thousands a week would change peoples minds that the EPL has lost its way and is out of control. the peoples game yeah righto!!
Oh I'd love it if we made it and got in there, don't get me wrong. But my opinions on it wouldn't change.
I agree too. and am old enough to remember us playing in the old Division 1- Its a different standard today. Back then, I would go usually accompanied by a different mate who supported Everton or Spurs or whatever glamour team we were playing. Used to annoy me big time. We struggled but there were epic nights like Coventry away and in particular the very first game away at Arsenal. Would love it if we got back but still support the ethics of the JPT. I certainly wouldn't was to see us enter a B team into it. It wouldn't give me any satisfaction winning it either. Going back to old times, there were also the home Internationals which was a shame that they stopped those, but I do understand why-
