The EU debate - Part III

No, there isn't. As somebody's already told you, it's something like 0.3% of claims.

Can you address the fact that the Telegraph knowingly lied, please?
They were told the truth and intentionally mislead their readers by presenting a false picture.

 

oh i see you decide who is disabled do you rather than the medical profession ,DWP and a Tory govt
the 900000 is not fact but a discredited statistic based on raw DWP stats which have been deliberately misinterpreted to , as discussed earlier ,smear disabled people.

 

Like your Mrs when she was here an as illegal

Bell end

 

You just have no idea of the relationship between long/short term Sickness benefit and Incapacity benefit being replaced by ESA.

 

I agree with some of this, but not all.
Equality of opportunity has been overlooked for equality of outcome, in my opinion.
That's neither required, nor desirable.

I disagree about your whole anti-ism thing, though.
Stopping bigotry and hatred isn't some sort of discrimination.
Comparing a racism to jokes about red hair is just odd.

 

You see nothing. Why do you keep coming out with ridiculous hysterical statements?

 

He's only just joined the thread and you've turned on him already

Ignore awaits.

When a dozen doctors tell you to sit down, sit down.

In your case, just make sure the cats aren't akip on your chair.

 

*edit, I quoted wrong reply earlier.

Have a look at a few of the views from people like Morgan Freeman on youtube. In my view, America has a far worse problem and history with racial division, so he has more experience and adds a bit to what I put.

I don't want this to disappear down the rabbit hole, but ginger is an ethnic identity, as much as skin colour, and tends to be associated with people from a specific region, with many of those regions having strong feelings against what they see as oppression. Why shouldn't they be protected the same, or other groups treat like them if it's about equality? There are reports that show that the treatment they receive from society leaves them as the sort of outsider that extremists recruit.

http://ufpnews.com/2015/ginger-jihadis-why-red-heads-are-converting-to-radical-islam/

 

You're banging your head on the thickest of thick brick walls there, mate...

 

Dear God
i see that there is no point in conversing with you.
goodbye

 

He's an odious **** fella. He's laid his life bare on this forum and it's a pretty scummy existence.

 

Ginger is not an ethnic identity and there aren't regions complaining about ginger oppression.
Where did you get that from?

That Breitbart article has one major problem: It's not based in reality. Most of them aren't.
The alt-right like to make a lot of **** up and they're one of the worst offenders.
Feel free to provide sources for their claims though, as they certainly don't.

 

I can agree with parts of that, but the section about 'isms' is absolute bollocks.

You're speaking as a white man living in a white community, and trying to compare office banter that goes beyond the pale, with hate filled racial abuse.

You lack perspective on this entire issue imo, probably due to where you live, which isn't a multi cutural place. How many black or Asian people who've suffered abuse that's bile filled and based solely on their skin colour and cutural heritage have you genuinely come into contact with? You can't just 'draw a line under it' as this country has a racist element that needs to be dealt with, and their views need to be driven out of the next generation, by education and a complete lack of tolerance from our society.

 

There is a lot to agree with in this. Particularly the role the state and press have taken in highlighting and accommodating our differences at the expense of understanding and integrating.
People need to be accepted for being different within society, not marginalised and allowed to separate from it. It is the key to my opposition of faith schools for example.

 

They mention other surveys that produced other figures and quote an Islamic source too.

I'm away out shortly, so apologies for it being an old link. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6725653.stm

 

I totally disagree, and you're making unfounded assumptions on several parts.

 

Then correct my supposed incorrect assumptions, that's generally how this works

 

If I go back to my younger days, yes gingers were subjected to some piss taking, but it never went any further than that.

If you were black, however, genuine hatred was aimed at you. Plus it was deemed socially acceptable to openly abuse them on no other basis than the colour of their skin.

We've fortunately come a long way since those days, but we've still some way to go.

 

They mention a survey of other sources, but don't produce that survey or how it was conducted.
All my attempts to Google their figures lead back to the article itself and the Islamic source is anonymous.
That doesn't strike me as being very good journalism. It strikes me as a fabrication, frankly.

I can find you articles about people getting abused for being short, tall, fat, thin, blonde, ugly and a variety of other things, if you'd like.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MensHealthNews/story?id=8347950
That doesn't make any of them equal to racism, though.

 

People who use the ginger comparison haven't got a ****ing clue imo

Ginger hair doesn't represent your cutural heritage and the 'abuse' of gingers whilst it might be hurtful to a child, is not delivered with the vitriol of Paki, N*****, Goat ****er (hello Kustard) etc etc. People who are racists deliver their bile with HATRED, it's not banter or anything close to it. A white man spouting about racism being on a par with ginger gags, shows a complete lack of understanding about what being on the wrong end of genuine racism feels like for the victim