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Mike Ashley

Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Albert's Chip Shop, Oct 30, 2016.

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  1. JakartaToon

    JakartaToon Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Carried forward cash, operating profits and player sales. Dont know why Sunderland manage to operate at a loss each year with all that TV money and attendance money. Maybe they need to stop the scheme where you get your money back if you leave before 2nd half starts.
     
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  2. Judge Death

    Judge Death Well-Known Member

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    Let's see
    1. TV money
    2. Ticket sales (this may be foreign territory for you)
    3. Commercial revenue
    4. Sponsorship
    5. Transfers - for example between 2008 -2014 we had a net "spend" of roughly -£45m
    6. Loose change down the back of the sofa

    As just a few examples - called running a business
     
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  3. General Lee Speaking

    General Lee Speaking Well-Known Member

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    The club spent money it had in it's coffers from it's profits. Ashley hasn't spent anything on "his hobby".
     
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  4. General Lee Speaking

    General Lee Speaking Well-Known Member

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    Net spend is about £50m over the last couple of seasons and the club effectively had about £80m in the bank at the start of that period of spending, stockpiled over the previous few seasons where we spent very little. You really do struggle with basic arithmetic don't you? Try practicing your 12 times tables and see if it improves.
     
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  5. Judge Death

    Judge Death Well-Known Member

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    12 times table should be easy - just gets to use all his fingers!
     
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  6. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Can't remember the exact year you went down but wasn't Ashley fresh off the back of a recession that cost him billions? The last thing he'd have wanted was a bunch of sorry arsed fans who were stamping their feet because Keegan wasn't allowed to sign Henry and Beckham.

    Things change, he's richer than ever now I believe, when you have a happy owner, things are bound to look brighter.
     
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  7. Joelinton's Right Foot

    Joelinton's Right Foot Worth Every Penny

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    It was a net spend of £73.1 million last season, which came from cash reserves of £48.3 million and an operating profit for the year of £32.4 million. The cash reserves had built up over a period of roughly 5 years from trading profits on football transfers, combined with operating profits each year. In effect, we did not go a single penny into debt by making the large spend of the previous summer. Everything came from cash reserves and operating profit.

    Due to being relegated, our television and sponsorship income will drop (though our gate receipts and match day income will increase due to playing more home games). To reflect the drop in income for this season, we have had a net spend in the transfer market of minus £30.3million. That's £30 million back in the bank over and above breaking even on profit/spending the season before.
     
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  8. Joelinton's Right Foot

    Joelinton's Right Foot Worth Every Penny

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    Just a point of interest.........

    We are now in the 10th season of football since Mike Ashley bought our club. In that period, over ten seasons, Newcastle United have a total net spend of £22.7 million, an average of £2.27 million spend per season. During six of those seasons the club made an operating profit, and these profits have risen year on year, more than offsetting the small net spend. Everything we have spent has come from within the club (since Ashley's initial cash injection to pay off the pre-existing debt).

    During those same ten seasons, Sunderland have a net transfer spend of £137.93 million, or £13,793,000 per season net spend. This has combined with an operating loss every single one of those years.

    Which of those two clubs do you think is trying to buy success and operate at a level above what it can naturally sustain, and which of those two clubs is not trying to buy success, but rather to achieve it without bankrupting the club? I know you particularly hate clubs trying to spend more than they have, and buy success, so I was interested what your opinions were on this?
     
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  9. Albert's Chip Shop

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    They don't charge for tickets either and give them away free.
     
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  10. Albert's Chip Shop

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    Slam.... dunk......
     
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  11. General Lee Speaking

    General Lee Speaking Well-Known Member

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    I think they call that getting hoisted by your own petard. Again. When will he learn?
     
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    Ah yes.................... but in 1976 a cup of Bovril and a pie was 3p cheaper at Joker Park than it was St James' Park.............. clearly this means they are the superior club!!!
     
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  13. haslam

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    What the **** are you doing? This is Fredor, he doesn't want actual stats and facts any more than he wants a rational debate.

    Sorry for him Fredor you are correct. We spend £130m every season and still fail whilst honest Sunderland get by breaking even each year. The FA should investigate the situation.
     
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    If I was the suspicious type of person living in the real world I would be asking why they have not, as I always do, point to some official confirmation of these numbers
     
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  15. fredor

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    You spent 80 million last season, and I believe that the players will be paid a wage and even if RAFA is working for free there is more than the cost of your ticket going out each week
     
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  16. fredor

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    There is obviously no need for multi millionaires to be running these clubs, on these figures any businessman in city could do it , I have a feeling after these revelations there are going to be some massive changes
     
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  17. fredor

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    I get it now Sunderland are spending SIX times as much as Newcastle each season on transfer fees , I can only assume that Sunderland are then taking those players they have bought and are hiding them somewhere
     
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  18. fredor

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    Maybe they sell more pies at St James I have no way of checking the figures
     
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