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Transfer disasters

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Teessidemackem, Oct 31, 2016.

  1. Teessidemackem

    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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    Here’s a question for you.

    Who was the last Sunderland signing to be sold on for a profit?

    Just to be clear, I am not including academy graduates such as Jordan Henderson and Martyn Waghorn, only players who joined the club from elsewhere.


    And I’ll help you out - don’t bother looking at any of the players signed over the last five years.

    Give up yet?

    The answer is: James McClean. Joined in August 2011 from Derry City for £350,000, flogged to Wigan Athletic in August 2013 for around £1.5m.

    Before McClean?

    Simon Mignolet - joined in June 2010 from Sint-Truiden for £2m, sold on for a tidy £7m profit three years later.

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    And before him, it was Darren Bent, whose deal eventually totalled £16m in the summer of 2009 and moved to Aston Villa for £18m in January 2012.

    All three of those players joined under Steve Bruce’s reign - which ended almost five years ago - and, incredibly, they are the only three players of 46 signings made since 2009 to have been traded for a profit.

    In an opaque world where ‘undisclosed’ fees are the norm, precise figures can be hard to come by.

    But you can take it from me that there have been no huge paydays for Sunderland which have gone unnoticed.

    Every single player signed by Martin O’Neill, Paolo Di Canio, Gus Poyet, and Dick Advocaat- the latter three coaches working under directors of football Roberto De Fanti and Lee Congerton - and subsequently moved on, has either been sold at a loss, or at best Sunderland have got their money back.


    And, even when the Black Cats have apparently recouped their outlay, by the time agents’ fees have been taken into consideration they will have ended up out of pocket.

    Sunderland’s transfer dealings have been nothing short of a catastrophe.

    While other clubs such as Southampton and, closer to home, Newcastle United, have generated cash in the transfer market, it has become a gigantic money pit for the Black Cats.

    New chief executive Martin Bain said in an interview last week that the club had to ‘get better at buying and selling football players’.

    These figures demonstrate the extent of the problem he has inherited.

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  2. QWOP

    QWOP Well-Known Member

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    Yeah but swapping Altidore for Defoe was a bloody master stroke!
     
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  3. The Norton Cat

    The Norton Cat Well-Known Member

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    The depressing thing about that list is you could probably get two squads that are better than our current one out of that
     
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  4. Billy Death

    Billy Death Well-Known Member

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    Shocking record that like.
     
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  5. Nostalgic

    Nostalgic Well-Known Member

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    The Bosman effect with 12 months left - either give them a new contract or sell them on before they go for nowt. Giacch was a perfect example.
     
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  6. Bizarreknives

    Bizarreknives Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    No wonder Short is a bit stingey lately. Who can blame him ?
     
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  7. Makemstine Roger

    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    it was his fault anyway mate
     
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  8. haslam

    haslam Well-Known Member

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    ok i roughly make it: spent 130m and got 67m so 63m loss.

    So less than half the annual tv money you get in the Premiership (i think).

    and 10m of that was Adam Johnson and you can't account for people doing what he did.

    Yeah it's bad but Man Utd spent 98m on Pogba ffs
     
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  9. Nads

    Nads Well-Known Member

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    Pantimillon didn't go for free mind.
     
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  10. monty987

    monty987 Well-Known Member

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    What about Henderson did we buy him ? we got £20m for him. Will Ndong and Rodwell be next ?. Just to add to the Pogba situation, Rashford looks a hell of a player Man u could have saved the £89m for him and got Bale, mind you save that we had them worries !. We need to get players in for £1-3m get them playing most of the time then sell them on for £10m +, but only a top manager can do that. Watmore should have been up and running by now with at least 5 goals this season.
     
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  11. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    £89m and he will pay that back himself.
     
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  12. QWOP

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    Must have deep pockets
     
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  13. jdsafc

    jdsafc Well-Known Member

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    I don't agree with the Darren Bent figures - I thought we sold him for more

    Also, for Gyan, the loan fee of circa £5.5m needs to be added to the sell price

    I do agree though - our recruitment is an absolute shambles. Short appoints the likes of De Fanti and Congerton, and places them in between the manager and himself on the promise that they do things on the cheap
     
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  14. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    He has his slave push his cash around for him in a wheelbarrow behind him I think.
     
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  15. Charlie Dogscock

    Charlie Dogscock Well-Known Member

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    Didn't realise you paid so much for Wickham, Ipswitch must have snapped your hands off for that! Even more amazing though is you almost made your money back on him...

    Huge loss on Gyan too after only 1 full season, surely you could have got far more than that?!

    No utter disasters there though, like Mitroglu to Fulham or Alves to Middlesborough....but that's basically because investment has been so pitiful over the last 4 years, all small signings and frees.
     
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  16. Sidthemackem

    Sidthemackem Newcastle United 0-1 Cambridge United Staff Member

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    We got a £6m loan fee for Gyan, so that wasn't the disaster it could have been. But the sooner we suck up the loss on Jack Rodwell and get shot of the twat the better.
     
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  17. Jack TheLad

    Jack TheLad Well-Known Member

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    Rodwell £10m, Graham £6m, Fletcher £12m.

    All on ridiculous wages as well.

    Personally I'd say they were/are disasters.
     
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  18. Charlie Dogscock

    Charlie Dogscock Well-Known Member

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    Ah yeah that list doesn't include ones still there, Rodwell obviously is walking disaster, ain't gonna make your money back on him.
     
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  19. E.T. Fairfax

    E.T. Fairfax Well-Known Member

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    I remember that Wickham at the time was being touted as the future of English football. I was over the moon that we got him ahead of others and the price was canny, or so I thought. He is probably one of the biggest let downs for me.
     
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  20. marcusblackcat

    marcusblackcat SAFC Sheriff Forum Moderator

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    Rodwell is going to come good I tells ya..........



    Oh ****

    Love to know where they got their figures from on that image in the OP.

    Wickham, from what I can remember, went for £8.1m (and hasn't been worth anywhere near that since then except for 10 minutes against us!)

    Pantillimon went for an undisclosed fee (which wasn't zero)
    Gyan's transfer at the end was £6m but we also got another £6m for the loan so the figures, whilst not in the bracket of £25m for Wijnaldum etc are not as bad as being made out by that (still not good mind)
     
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