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The EU debate - Part III

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  1. luvgonzo

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    Not up to me!
     
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  2. DMD

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    Says the hypocritical bigot that keeps ignoring the direct facts. <doh>

    Trump Towers in New York stands as an edifice to Trumps views on women. Giving the construction managers job to a lady, whose gender prevented anyone else employing her at the time. Mind you, she's not voting for him, citing his lack of political experience, which is odd given all the reasons you reckon she should have. I'm sure him giving her another chance after she left to try it on her own, and then letting her go over performance issues, didn't affect her decision at all.


    Edit.

    I just checked back at your "Trumpisms"

    I've maybe missed some, so feel free to point the others out, but they seemed limited to some garbled post about some former/disputed Rusian states, which seems to show he was confused about it. Which is maybe understandable, given who the CIA are helping in some of them.

    The other was comments on immigration and border control, which I responded to with a video of Clinton saying exactly the same. <doh>
     
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  3. luvgonzo

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    This is like arguing over which turd you want to eat.
     
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  4. NSIS

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    You're full of ****! I know what Trump is! Even his own party know what he is, that's why they've disowned him!

    As for you, we all know what you are. I'll say this at least for the racist with the Muslim name, and even Kustard, they make no pretences about what they are and what they believe. You haven't even got the balls to do that!

    Trump's views on women, like your posts on here, are determined by his actions - not his mealy mouth words.

    His actions condemn him as a mysoginist. As yours condemn you as a bigot!
     
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    I agree Luv. But that's the choice America has left itself. One of those two will be president.

    Given the choice, it has to, reluctantly, be Clinton. The alternative is too horrible to contemplate!
     
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    Mark Carney
     
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  7. luvgonzo

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    The powers that rule that country will have him in their pocket, I don't think it'll be a problem he'll be a puppet, nothing more.
     
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  8. DMD

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    A high proportion of his higher management team are women , who tend to be on higher grades than the males because they've been with him so long, and giving key jobs to women when their gender meant other employers wouldn't give them the opportunity.

    He's done this for years, not for politics. His fundamental business model is as a meritocracy, if you're good enough, you're in, irrespective of any other factors such as gender or race. Those are his actions.

    The Clinton actions are multiple rapes and sexual abuse, cover ups, fraud etc etc

    Your words condemn you as a fool and a bigot. <ok>
     
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    A psychologist says “The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior,” Trumps management team history shows one side, so the other could be worth a look.

    So here's a few links for you to ignore or dismiss the paper they appear in. (I noticed you ignored some comments I posted in a video from your much favoured Bloomberg that don't support your claims.)

    These are simply the first few that google threw up. There are better ones, but as you'll ignore them anyway, I couldn't be arsed to spend time finding them.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/19/hillary-clintons-long-list-of-lies/

    http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/here-they-are-hillarys-22-biggest-scandals-ever/

    http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/44-reasons-to-not-elect-hillary/
     
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  10. DMD

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    Just to clarify again, I don't support him, and it reflects badly on a nation that size that these are the two choices. It's simply that on balance, I see him as a far lesser evil than the Clintons, and not only because it gives the system a good rattle and hopefully a wake up call to realise it's not a game for the people whose lives their elitist games affect.
     
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  11. Star of David Bardsley

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    Kind of interesting that Trump is now best price 3/1 with Clinton 3/10. I backed him at 11/2 and that was just before all the "grab her by the pussy" revelations so it's becoming increasingly close.
     
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    Trump is a misogynist, he's racking up sexual assault allegations by the day ffs.

    The man is a complete joke of a candidate, and yet here you are promoting him as the better of 2 evils.

    He's a complete Maverick which makes him dangerous and he seemingly can't control what spills out of that mouth of his.

    He's a few examples of his misogyny btw

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/po...tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/
     
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  13. DMD

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    Debunked earlier.

    Just read the list you posted. <laugh>

    He's running for President, not pope ffs, and as someone suggested earlier, actions speak far louder than words. Trump has shown he's certainly not a mysogonist with his actions, and Clinton has shown she's prepared to cover up for a rapist.
     
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    It's far from debunked, you only have to read the list I posted to see the comments he's made about women over the years are that of a misogynist

    Your promoting of his suitability for the White House is hilarious, but then again you used to vote for Nige, so political judgment patently isn't your strong suit
     
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  15. DMD

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    I'd added to my earlier reply to laugh at your 'evidence' and make a comment, but it certainly was dubunked earlier. If your list is the best you can offer to counter, Trumps actions seem to support that, and his words pale to nothing compared to someone, with the backing of his wife,that's prepared to pay huge sums to avoid his sexual habits getting into court.

    I'm not 'promoting' him and you have absolutely no idea who I voted for Worzel.
     
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    Oh do **** off with this nonsense, there's now 14, fourteen.......women who've come forward and put allegations of sexual assault on the table against him ffs.

    The man is a misogynist idiot who thankfully won't get near to the Whitehouse. I'm no lover of Clinton btw, I think she's an odious character, but she's most definitely the lesser of the 2 evils here.
     
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  17. DMD

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    Amazing how these women have waited until now isn't it. Amazing how many others are backing him.

    If that sort of thing is what you're basing your opinion on, give us a shout when he gets to the level of Bill and Hillary. No double standards now eh Worzel. :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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  18. Tobes

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    Amazing how all of Saviles victims appeared after the first couple lead the way isn't it? Actually no it isn't, as that's how it tends to occur, Trump is now racking them up by the day, I expect his chequebook will be well used after his defeat in the election.

    How many sexual assault cases has there been against Hilary Clinton then?
     
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  19. DMD

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    Here's a few Hillary helped cover up. Including using 'fixer' who have admitted they were tasked with smearing victims. The later years are covered in many other allegations, but even you should get the point.

    Juanita isn't the only one: Bill Clinton's long history of sexual violence against women dates back some 30 years








    (Editor's Note: The following story is an update of previously-published information and contains some new material.)

    By Daniel J. Harris& Teresa HamptonCapitol Hill Blue

    Women have been charging Bill Clinton with sexual assault since his days as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford 30 years ago.

    A continuing investigation into the President's questionable sexual history reveal incidents that go back as far as Clinton's college days, with more than a dozen women claiming his sexual appetites leave little room for the word ''no.''

    Juanita Broaddrick, an Arkansas nursing home operator, told NBC's Lisa Myers five weeks ago she was raped by Clinton. NBC shelved the interview, saying they were confirming all parts of the story, but finally aired it Wednesday night.

    Broaddrick finally took her story to The Wall Street Journal, which published her account of the brutal rape at the hands of the future President, followed by The Washington Post and some other publications.

    But Capitol Hill Blue has confirmed that Broaddrick's story is only one account of many attempted and actual sexual assaults by Clinton that go back 30 years. Among the other incidents:

    • Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford where the future President was a student in 1969. A retired State Department employee, who asked not to be identified, confirmed that he spoke with the family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual. The victim's family declined to pursue the case;
    • In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident. The woman, tracked down by Capitol Hill Blue last week, confirmed the incident, but declined to discuss it further and would not give permission to use her name;
    • In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ''came on'' to him. The student left the school shortly after the incident. Reached at her home in Texas, the former student confirmed the incident, but declined to go on the record with her account. Several former students at the University have confirmed the incident in confidential interviews and said there were other reports of Clinton attempting to force himself on female students;
    • Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton's gubernatorial campaign, said he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick suffered a bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit her during the rape;
    • From 1978-1980, during Clinton's first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor were aware of at least seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or attempted to force, himself on them sexually. One retired state trooper said in an interview that the common joke among those assigned to protect Clinton was "who's next?". One former state trooper said other troopers would often escort women to the governor's hotel room after political events, often more than one an evening;
    • Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. "I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn't even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room."
    • Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.
    • Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.
    • Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation's capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton's hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.
    • Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton's leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant's legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.
    • Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.
    In an interview with Capitol Hill Blue, the retired State Department employee said he believed the story Miss Wellstone, the young English woman who said Clinton raped her in 1969.

    ''There was no doubt in my mind that this young woman had suffered severe emotional trauma,'' he said. ''But we were under tremendous pressure to avoid the embarrassment of having a Rhodes Scholar charged with rape. I filed a report with my superiors and that was the last I heard of it.''

    Miss Wellstone, who is now married and lives near London, confirmed the incident when contacted this week, but refused to discuss the matter further. She said she would not go public with further details of the attack. Afterwards, she changed her phone number and hired a barrister who warned a reporter to stay away from his client.

    In his book, Unlimited Access, former FBI agent Gary Aldrich reported that Clinton left Oxford University for a "European Tour" in 1969 and was told by University officials that he was no longer welcome there. Aldrich said Clinton's academic record at Oxford was lackluster. Clinton later accepted a scholarship for Yale Law School and did not complete his studies at Oxford.

    The State Department official who investigated the incident said Clinton's interests appeared to be drinking, drugs and sex, not studies.

    "I came away from the incident with the clear impression that this was a young man who was there to party, not study," he said.

    Oxford officials refused comment. The State Department also refused to comment on the incident. A Freedom of Information request filed by Capitol Hill Blue failed to turn up any records of the incident.

    Capitol Hill Blue also spoke with the former Miss James, the Washington fundraiser who confirmed the encounter with Clinton at the Four Seasons Hotel in Washington, but first said she would not appear publicly because anyone who does so is destroyed by the Clinton White House.

    ''My husband and children deserve better than that,'' she said when first contacted two weeks ago. After reading the Broaddrick story Friday, however, she called back and gave permission to use her maiden name, but said she had no intention of pursuing the matter.

    "I wasn't raped, but I was trapped in a hotel room for a brief moment by a boorish man," she said. "I got away. He tried calling me several times after that, but I didn't take his phone calls. Then he stopped. I guess he moved on."

    But Miss James also retreated from public view this week after other news organizations contacted her.

    The former Miss Moffet, the legal secretary who says Clinton tried to force her into oral sex in 1979, has since married and left the state. She says that when she told her boyfriend, who was a lawyer and supporter of Clinton, about the incident, he told her to keep her mouth shut.

    "He said that people who crossed the governor usually regretted it and that if I knew what was good for me I'd forget that it ever happened," she said. "I haven't forgotten it. You don't forget crude men like that."

    Like two other women, the former Miss Moffet declined further interviews. A neighbor said she had received threatening phone calls.

    The other encounters were confirmed with more than 30 interviews with retired Arkansas state employees, former state troopers and former Yale and University of Arkansas students. Like others, they refused to go public because of fears of retaliation from the Clinton White House.

    Likewise, the mainstream media has shied away from the Broaddrick story. Initially, only The Drudge Report and other Internet news sites have actively pursued it. Since initial publication of this story, a few mainstream media outlets have expressed interest in interviewing the women.

    The White House did not return calls for comment. White House attorney David Kendall has issued a public denial of the Broaddrick rape.

    Copyright 1999. Capitol Web Publishing
     
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    Yeah great, but Bill isn't standing the question was about his wife.
     
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