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The EU debate - Part III

Discussion in 'The Premier League' started by Jürgenmeiʃter, Sep 6, 2016.

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  1. Stan

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    Yup.

    There are going to be some investors who get badly stung. Easier to walk away from a 10% deposit than complete on a madly priced deal.

    Places like Manchester, Bristol and Birmingham will benefit though.
     
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  2. Stan

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    Certain parts of it were way overvalued. Other parts were what you'd expect from a financial capital and compared reasonably with New York and Tokyo for example. As the banks move abroad we'll see London prices decrease and the prices in their new host cities increase.

    I wouldn't want to be tied into an exchanged property in Canary Wharf right now and if I was in Nine Elms I'd be selling to the highest bidder at any price <laugh>
     
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    Leeds will take a hit as well.
     
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    There's the beauty of the UK system over the EU.

    We can see who is in charge and their political affiliations. If we don't like them, we get the opportunity to vote them out.

    If ever your hero Mr Blobby puts a manifesto together, your imaginary world may take form.

    Compare and contrast with the EU and reality.

    By your own argument, for better or worse, you are unable to offer a viable alternative.

    It highlights my earlier argument that some people over estimate the 'power' that politicians have.
     
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    Really? I don't know Leeds. It's always seemed to track Manchester by being 3-4 years behind it on property values but I couldn't tell you what external factors influence the property market there.
     
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    Why would Mr Blobby need a manifesto to challenge May?

    I'm an Inner.

    No I'm an Outer.

    No Brexit plan vote for the MPs.

    OK we'll have a vote.

    Mr Blobby could just stumble around Westminster saying "Blobby, blobby, blobby". It would be just as effective. And Sensible.

    I've always quite liked Ken Clarke.

    I agree with your comment about the limited power politicians have. You might want to educate Pete on that point as he's insistent that Ministers are experts and make all the decisions when in fact they're manipulated by Sir Humphrey Appleby.
     
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    The opportunity to turf out who we don't like as opposed to sitting round a table with people from multiple countries with their own agendas is important factor for me.

    Too many chiefs at the EU.
     
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  9. Stan

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    How many Tory voters went to the polls thinking Theresa May was going to be PM for the majority of this term? If, like me, they think she's a fraud, do they get to turf her out before she inevitably falls on her sword?
     
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    It's the Tory party, not the leader that produces tell manifesto.

    Your blobby scenario is as credible as some other remoaners 'solutions'.
     
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    The fact that she is unelected doesn't really grate on me tbh.

    I think any more instability would have cause major problems post brexit. Cameron stepped on his own landmine so we had to have an instant replacement so the country at least had a leader.

    I don't like her or the Tories and her record is pretty abysmal in a lot of things.

    However I think she can deal with the EU well. A necessary evil perhaps - although I'm a little weary of saying that until we see what happens.

    The fact she is a woman will actually help imo.

    The problem we all have is what is the alternative? People may say the conservative party is fighting itself but its nowhere near as bad as labour which, imo, is the only viable alternative.
     
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    So close but you lost all credibility with your penultimate word.

    When were you asked to leave the police force?
     
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    Leeds finance sector has expanded massively in the last decade, I think it's now second only to London in the UK and house prices in the desirable areas have been driven up as a result.
     
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    I had high hopes for her. I've been very surprised at how ****e she's been so far. She completely lacks conviction and that's reflected in the lack of credibility and respect she's been awarded by her EU counterparts.
     
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    It grates on me, as she's been handed the biggest issue this country has had to deal with in modern times and she's got no mandate whatsoever on how it's going to be tackled.

    The Tories were elected with a manifesto that promised a referendum, their manifesto had no detail on what they would do if the result was leave.

    Therefore the Tories have no mandate either.

    So we've got an unelected PM heading a Govt with no mandate from the populous on what Brexit should actually be.

    What we've had is a none binary vox pox poll that asked one question - leave or remain.

    So now May is second guessing what the populous actually want to prioritise and at what cost, and is trying to keep an actual debate on the entire subject out of the House and yet we've got leave voters shouting 'democracy' from the rooftops.

    It's a ****ing bad joke tbh.
     
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    And your solution?
     
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    So spot on then.

    You reckon having no alternative to what you feel is such a problem is a credible position?
     
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    I gave you an alternative. Blobby.

    Failing that I'd like to see the Brexit terms debated in the Commons by the MPs who were elected by the people.

    The public voted Remain or Leave. They didn't vote for one person to decide almost single handedly on the future of the country.

    There's only one reason why she's desperate to retain total control of the decision making process and it's because she knows even her own party don't support her "immigration cap at all costs" policy.
     
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