The EU debate - Part III

"I have accused Le Pen of being a Fascist cos she is one." - don't you see how foolish that makes you look?
"If you are too lazy to read up on Le Pen and the front national that is your problem." - that seems to apply to you more because I have not seen any evidence of research by you

 

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Le Pen is a Fascist...if that bothers you so be it.
You clearly have not looked into the matter

 

Are you a fan of Hitler KKKustard?

 

Aye, hence the 'lapsed' part. The UAF in my view have too much of a narrow agenda that results in them probably creating more divides than they should,and prioritising the wrong areas, which misses too many others.

 

Le Pen has been called a fascist as - like her father - she is one, you utter trumpet

 

There was already 20m Chinese listed so you are double counting them. To be sensible you have to be logical.

 

Just the 80 million then, you pedantic **** stain

 

It's you who has not "looked into the matter". If you have looked into the matter you would be able to justify your claim. Did you watch the video? Did what she said seem like she was a fascist?

 

Don't disagree to much tbh

 

A summary of this morning's posts:

"The sky is blue today"

"Do you have proof?"

"The sky is obviously blue today you deluded fat ****. Just look outside."

"If you can't provide a link proving the sky is blue today then it's evidence you lack basic comprehension skills and should go back to school. Maybe then one day you too can be an OAP working in a garage to find ways for black cab drivers to avoid tax".

 

You love demanding answers don't you bit refuse to justify your lies.
You ACCUSED me of calling MANY people fascists. I then asked how does calling Le Pen a Fascist equate to many people and you have just refused to answer.
There are plenty of ways to find references to her being a Fascist and to her party (which she leafs) being Fascist. People here have posted links for you which you have failed to comment on.
So I repeat, if you are too lazy to look it up that is your problem.
However there is no way for me to look up how, in your mind, I have called "many people " Fascist...so would you care to retract or explain?

 

And this is why I think that Pete has to be a troll account and can't be a real person.
Nobody could flip between being abusive and insulting and then complaining about people being abusive and insulting that quickly.
Those comments are all back-to-back and anyone with the slightest bit of self-awareness would've noticed this.

 

I went to the cafe for brunch this morning and had a flick through The Sun which I've not done for a long time. You really can't blame people for being anti-immigration if that's the news they're fed.

Also the local Greggs is expanding which is ominous for the economy.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-gunther/no-france-is-not-becoming_b_5394158.html

Sunday, May 25, French voters went to the polls to elect representatives to the European parliament, and France’s far-right nationalist party, the National Front, surprised the world by coming in first place with 25 percent of the vote — well ahead of the center-right UMP party with 21 percent or president Hollande’s socialist party with just 14 percent. This is harrowing news, or as Prime Minister Valls has called it, a political “earthquake.” Yet despite what you might read in the underbelly of the Internet (I’m looking at you, user-comment sections), it is not a sign that France is turning “fascist,” for several reasons:

This Was a European, Not a National, Election.

Issues that dominate the National Front’s platform in national elections (immigration reform, the breakdown of “law and order”) tend to take a back seat in European elections, where the focus turns toward eurosceptic concerns, including abandoning the euro, reclaiming sovereignty previously granted to European institutions and reestablishing some form of borders between France and its European neighbors. As a result, we cannot assume that the people who voted for the National Front on Sunday, many of whom feel alienated from the decision-making process in Brussels, would have also opted to do so in a national election. In addition, European parliament elections have notoriously high abstention rates (for yesterday’s election in France, it is estimated to be 57 percent), in large part, because people do not have a clear idea of how the institutions work. Many of the important issues facing the EU are not widely understood or easily explained, certainly in comparison to the simplicity of a eurosceptic platform; a situation that is likely to inflate the percentage of eurosceptics motivated to head to the polls.

The National Front’s Ideas May Be Deeply Offensive or Dangerous, But Not Fascist.

This is an important distinction to make, or as Anne Sinclair, editor of the French version of the Huffington Post, reminded us in her editorial Monday morning, this is a time when we need to be careful not to lump everything together. James Shields pointed out in his 2007 book, The Extreme Right in France, that while the National Front embodies some aspects of fascism, including “exclusionary nationalism, anti-egalitarianism, anti-liberalism, anti-communism, among others,” it lacks “features which are integral to historical fascism,” including, the “rejection of democracy, the single-party state, political violence, militarism, corporatism, anti-conservatism, [and] the ‘leadership cult’ in a real sense.” (page 310). It is true that over the years, the National Front has defended some genuinely offensive and dangerous ideas (most notably, comments from the party’s former leader, Jean-Marie LePen, that the Nazi gas chambers were a “detail” of history), but it has never taken an explicit position against democracy, an important ingredient in the definition of fascism. The memory of World War II looms large in popular American representations of Europe (remember the “cheese-eating surrender monkeys“ during a high-point of francophobia in the early 2000s?), and so it is understandable that “fascism” is on the tips of many tongues when looking at events in Europe, but such a limited prism can easily distort our perspective of contemporary politics.

Most if Not All the National Front’s Ideas Find Echoes in the Rhetoric of the U.S. Republican Party.

Americans pointing their fingers at France today could benefit from taking a look at the National Front’s platform, which focuses on drastically reducing immigration, passing laws for harsher sentencing of convicted criminals, deporting immigrants who are unemployed or who commit even minor crimes, avoiding limitations of national sovereignty by supranational institutions, and reestablishing the death penalty in France. I challenge anyone to find something in this list that would fall outside accepted discourse within the Republican party in the United States, certainly among Tea Partiers. For anyone who sees the success of the National Front as a sign that France is on the path to fascism, it might be a productive exercise to compare it to what is going on here at home.

 

Didn't you call the Nazi's fascists? What do you think I need to retract when I am right?

 

He's been making a **** of himself on various forums since the birth of the Internet

He's a seasoned pro