The EU debate - Part III

Not much in those elements of it, although the EU border controls do result in less Africans getting in, but the rest is pretty much the current EU.

As I said, it gets fuzzy when you try to pigeon hole politics. A broader mind is useful.

 

No comeback

Thanks for that

 

The French National Front is nothing like the British BNP

 

Where do I say I like or dislike them?

 

This is your problem. You don't know enough about politics. For a start the French National Front is not a fascist party.

 

Never accessed anyone of legitimising their views ... I said it legitimises them as being a regular politician which they are not.
I am aware of her and her parties views and aims which is why I am being very clear that she is a Fascist. I am not here to do your research for you. I have said that there are many books and articles on line about her so you can look them up yourself.
I have spoken about Fascism, I did not compare Fascism to any other dictatorships. I do not have to prove that Hitler was worse than anyone. I do not need to prove anything about Hitler. He was a Fascist **** who gave the world the Holocaust, a world war and world wide brutality that led to the deaths of over a hundred million humans.
It was others that compared him to others not I.
In my view all fascists are ****s and we should not use them to back up or support our arguments.
Nothing I have said throughout this debate since yesterday is controversial so I have no idea what your problem is

 

I did notice.

 

One of the foundations key aims is to cast doubt on the link between British foreign policy and the rise in extremism

 

Yes she is.

 

So did I, hence the reason for my retort

Worzel

 

The only person who brought Mao and Stalin into the discussion is you, you senile old ****.

Your last line is very telling. Does your Polish wife hold Hitler in similar high regard?

 

So as long as they're not fascist, leaders initiating policies that lead to large scale misery and death is fine?

 

what does that mean?
who is a fascist?

 

Le Pen is ultra nationalistic and her party still have the French by blood narrative that makes them dangerous.

No one can know precisely what they will do with power but just like previous facist leaders took the Nationalist message to the extreme. There is no reason to think the front nationale would behave any differently in their rational view that those they see as undermining the French identity must be forcibly changed or removed.

 

The EU did not achieve its aims via mass executions, terror campaigns, the Holocaust or a world war.
Democracy means we have to put up with **** we disagree with and Fascism means dictatorship and genocide.
Huge difference

 

Are you really that ****ing stupid?

She is a right wing autocratic nationalist who blames all of her country's woes on "the enemy within", be that French Arabs, trade unions or the what she considers the weak liberal intelligentsia.

Remind you of anyone?

 

Why bring up The Quilliam foundation out of nowhere then?? And then ask Tobes why he opposed them in accusatory tones?

Hoisted by your own petard....again!...

 

Follow the conversation and it is clear.
Hull said that he thought that the pomposity and arrogance of some on the left pushed people to vote for the right. This was a response to a discussion about why people are willing to vote for the Fascist Le Pen.
I said that I hoped he was wrong as the idea that voting for a Fascist cos someone like Dianne Abbott pissed them off is frightening.
Le Pen is the Fascist

 

Thanks for pointing out the blindingly obvious differences for Dull. Hopefully, he can grasp the distinction!..

 

You said: "I was talking about the dangers of taking the words of Fascists and legitimising them as being part of the normal democratic process."
are you now saying you were not talking about their words when indicating their views but when they were asking for a cup of coffee?