The EU debate - Part III

Sneering at 'Brexit biscuits' shows contempt for a vital British industry and ignorance of basic economics
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...scuits-shows-contempt-for-a-vital-british-i/?

 

In the ways I mentioned earlier. The growth in buildings, personnel and centralisation of decision making and control.

I'm surprised you ask, even many remainers were arguing that staying in was the best way to reform the clearly flawed system.

 

That doesn't make sense. Every country in the world has access to the "single market". I dont know why you are even suggesting we wouldn't have access to the "single market".

 

First past the post and proportional representation are poor voting systems. I would prefer AV which would take away the power from the political parties.
Unfortunately we had a referendum on AV and my view lost - but I didn't spend all my time whining about it!

 

The organisation has more members now, so it's going to grow, isn't it?
In what way has decision making and control become more centralised?

The system's flawed, but all of them are. That's not evidence for what you're suggesting.

 

easy - form one party!

 

Why do you reckon it's growing?

 

so you can tell us what the EU is going to develop into over the next generation?

 

Because it has more members and the population of each of it's members is increasing.

Of course not. You seem to think that you can, though.
Remaining in the EU isn't a jump into the dark, regardless of how you try to frame it.
Leaving in some unstated form that still isn't even remotely agreed upon clearly is.

 

You have no idea how it will develop, but it's not a jump in the dark. seems clear enough.

 

It doesn't matter to us if it becomes the most powerful trading block as we will not be part of it thanks to the stupid vote

 

I don't make stupid predictions, like all the UKIP Mystic Mugs, I'm afraid.
Could anyone have predicted the rise of ISIS and the required reaction to it, for example?
We have no reason to think that the EU's going in the direction that you're claiming, though.

 

So it will change, you don't know how, and that's not a prediction nor a jump in the dark. Yep, it's becoming clearer.

 

Everything changes. That's not a prediction, it's an observation. The idea that a political entity will stay exactly the same is ridiculous.

Expecting massive changes that virtually nobody wants and are massively unpopular across the board is dumb prediction.
Claiming that you know things doesn't make you any better than those that can admit that they're not 100% about the future.
It merely makes you another bullshitter.

It's funny that you had the opposite reaction to experts making predictions that were based on solid evidence, though.
You didn't embrace that, for some reason. Why is that?

 

As you predict it will certainly change, but have no idea what form that change will take or which way it will go, in what way is that not a leap into the dark?

 

According to that thinking, everything would be a leap into the dark. We don't know the future.
It's not a prediction to say that the sun's going to come up tomorrow. It's an observation of past events.
Things change. I thought even you would've noticed that.

Voting to stay in what's been a pretty stable political entity is less of a leap into the dark than the alternative, in this case.
The other choice is a vague, unpredictable mess that nobody can remotely agree about.
Brexit means... er, something. Possibly. Don't hold me to that!

 

You're just repeating the same stuff that confirms you don't know what you voted for.

 

Because it can only change in a way that is consistent with the Treaty that all the members have signed.

 

Going from history it's not likely to develop in a good way although the precise way it will implode is not known.

 

So now you DO know in what way it will change.

That was quick.