The EU debate - Part III

Yes, I agree. But, as has been pointed out, M.P.s will consider their own careers. Probably above anything else, Unfortunately!..

Let's face it, they're on a cushy little number there. Why risk the wrath of your constituents at the next election by going against their wishes?

 

The country has just committed economic suicide. It's just that the leave voters haven't noticed yet.

We've jumped off a ****ing cliff. And we're saying "look, everything's okay, armageddon hasn't happened" as the ground rushes up towards us.

 

479 MPs declared themselves Remain compared to 158 Leave pre-referendum. That's a big swing, not taking into account the hash of things May has made of it so far.

 

Unfortunately, true! But they will notice it very soon. The ground is fast approaching!..

 

Looks like a prison, do you have no taste custard?

 

Looks like ( My guess) that A50 will be done by the PM, but parliament will vote on the final outcome.
So come 2019 the MPs will be voting to save their own arse, than whats good for the country.

 

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Voting on the final outcome of the negotiations means diddly squat, as once A50 is invoked it's irreversible.

My view is that the courts decision will be that May needs to put the decision to parliament, as the referendum was advisory and not binary.

 

It makes no sense to have a free trade area without such laws being the same as it would just encourage a race to the bottom on those things. I've never understood why it matters that we've signed up to this stuff. Are we really saying that we want weaker laws in these areas than Romania and Bulgaria?

 

Exactly. You can't have true freedom of movement if employment and human rights laws differ across the EU.

All I've heard on this issue is people moaning that 'we didn't have control' I've yet to hear a reasoned argument which describes in detail which parts of the current employment law caused a tangible problem to the working man? What is the average man in the street going to gain from the Tories taking back 'control' of the working mans employment rights?

It's utterly bizarre to me, that the EU is seen as the greater of the 2 evils on this particular issue.

 

Get rid of the tories in the next election

 

With Corbyn as the opposition?? The Tories would win by a landslide...

 

Aye, shabby tabloids eh.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-army-plans-kept-secret-from-voters-3j3kg3zwj

http://eeas.europa.eu/top_stories/pdf/eugs_review_web.pdf

 

I'm not so sure.

I'm in my late 20s and a lot of people up to this age are very pro Corbyn.

Militantly actually. I've not made a decision just yet as I'm not convinced on him being strong enough in this exceptionally challenging time.

But I think it would be closer than expected.

Might end up being younger vs older generations and also lower vs middle/upper classes although I'm obviously generalising.

Corbyn needs to sort out his own stable first, mind!

 

That's the view of just about everyone at the moment. I think lots of opposition parties would give them a bloody nose as it stands. Brexit was a protest vote for many and shows huge levels of discontent from the average bloke on the street, the same type of person likely to have a rougher ride than most over the next year or two. I'd still back May to sneak a large minority but don't see a landslide.

 

Ah, the Murdoch owned Times. Did you read the article, published a month before the referendum? Apparently the plans are "being kept secret" from the British public. Presumably in the same way that the fact Barack Obama and David Cameron are alien space lizards was also being kept secret.

Another reason why I never wanted the public to vote on our membership ogf the EU; the public will believe any old ****.

 

Yes, discontent, I agree. But a large amount of that discontent was from people who used to vote Labour and switched to UKIP.

Those people are never going to vote for a Corbyn led Labour Party.

 

It won't happen. To win a GE in the UK, you have to capture the swing voter. Those that voted Labour in 1997, but Tory in 2010.

 

The actual document doesn't mention an army. It does say that most EU members rely on NATO for defence but there needs to be some thinking on what needs to be done for the 9 non-NATO members. How is this a 'Power Grab' as the Times has it. Murdoch has major issues with the EU as they have rules that prevent him making money.

 

Why race to the bottom?
The laws would be what the government of the day wants.
Countries have free trade deals without insisting on other laws in the other party.
Laws should be decided by independent countries.