The prime minister was elected by her party as usual. The conservatives were voted in by the uk as a whole.
Indeed...it's the UK not the US ...despite the best efforts of the likes of Thatcher and Blair...we don't elect a president we elect MP's and the leader of the party with the most seats forms a govt ...the fact that the leader has already been in place pre General election most recently is coincidental and irrelevant to our system...plenty of times a leader has come in mid term and formed a govt. As for EU ref...I'm getting bored at bitter Remainers harping on...and trying to now subvert the process and outcome. The one argument that makes all complaining irrelevant is that not one of those complaining would have have given up a remain victory of the same % on the grounds it wasn't a clear enough majority... Any attempt now to reverse it by underhand means is undemocratic.
We vote for a party who's leader will become prime minister. So while directly voting for the MP in your constituency you are also indirectly voting for the leader of the party to become prime minister.
Nigel Farage demanded another referendum when he thought he was going to lose, saying a 52-48 result in favour of remain merited another referendum and all the Brexit loonies agreed with him.
Generalisation....unless you can provide me proof that all 17410742 Brexit voters agreed with everything Farage said it's just whataboutery ..I would no more accept the argument from him than I do now if the result had been reversed. Same as how the likes of Ed Milliband etc are now trying to speak for every single voter of the "48%" and claiming we don't accept the result and will justify any action to prevent it. I voted remain, I exercised my democratic right but more people disagreed with me than agreed. I accept that result while still not agreeing with the arguments that convinced them to vote the other way. Anything else leads to anarchy or despotism by eroding the belief that any election result has meaning. Should the terms of our exit be debated by parliament and the citizens in general? Certainly..but not as an excuse to stop the exit completely..that has been decided by the referendum.
People who are under 50 years of age did not vote for this, we should not let a vote decided by 50+ year olds who have already benefited from all the positives that come from being EU members but are now kicking the ladder from beneath them so that the younger generations cannot have the same benefits as they did be the end of the matter. We have already seen the pound dramatically falling, big businesses talking about moving staff from London into Europe and the rise of hate crime against foreign nationals living in the UK because of the vote. This is only the short term effect of the vote, who knows what the long term effects of the vote will have on the people especially with workers rights and funding in parts of the UK which have relied on EU funding.
People under 50 couldn't be bothered to vote ! yes i know it's a generalisation but no more than yours you should pop into the EU debate part 111 on the PL board - you'd feel at home
Some people who are under 50 did vote for exit and some didn't. Are you saying we should decide before every vote who can and who can't take part in case it goes against what you want?
Have been on the PL board once or twice, never again. Yes, the couldn't be bothered to vote is true but I believe some people misunderstood and underestimated the importance of the vote. I know a lot of people who feel politics are irrelevant and make no difference to them personally, I'd guess there are similar type of people all around the UK who probably didn't vote but are regretting not doing so now.
well in that case all i can say is tough ****. If they didn't realise the importance of voting in the only UK referendum they have ever been entitled to vote in they deserve what they get - unlike me who made the effort to vote remain and lost but understand the idea of democracy.
Not what I said, at all. Now that Theresa May has said there will be no additional funding for the NHS I wonder how many Brexiteers are regretting their decision now, too.
Sorry just can't agree with that...you are talking about introducing qualifications for voting. So we decide that people's opinions are not valid if they are 50+? Why not if they are religious? Or Black or a woman? Slippery slope. And it's also slightly disingenuous...the age voting figures bandied about after the election weren't even polling data..they were projections by Sky News (the irony) seized upon by those the figures suited . So even less scientific than polling data which as we know haven't been exactly reliable in the last few years. It also doesn't provide the % of people in each age bracket who voted out of the total figure of who could have voted. Traditionally 18-24 turnout is very low in elections compared to older groups. BBC polling data suggests this pattern continued in the referendum. The argument could be made that if the turn out of this age group was as low as usual then more 18-24 year olds didn't give a toss one way or the other compared to those that did care enough to vote at all. 75% or a small number is still a small number..... This would undermine your argument that youth were betrayed by their grandparents...even accepting a projection that young people if they had voted would vote remain: youth betrayed itself by not bothering to vote...so blame the fellow youngsters not the older generations.
Massive generalisation, and one I deeply resent as an over 50 who was extremely vocal in the desire to remain, and voted that way - as were almost all of my peer group amongst my acquaintances. In my experience there were more young people voted to leave - those that could be arsed to vote at all. I've no doubt others have a different experience, but this media-led divisiveness shouldn't be accepted without question.
I didn't say they couldn't vote, I said they decided the vote. We are free to ask for another referendum, just as Brexiteers would be free to ask for another one if remain had won. Doesn't mean there will be another one but if we don't even try to push for one then there's no chance of there being another one. The lies of the Brexit campaign have already been exposed. We will not be 'closing our borders' and remain in the single market while restricting people coming into the country and we will also not be investing any extra money into the NHS, let alone the promised £350m a week. These were the main selling points of voting leave, under these circumstances I believe another vote is justified, as people are now better educated about the facts of remaining or leaving the EU.
Was specifically referring to the majority of 50+ year olds who voted out, despite having benefited from the perks of living in a country that was a member of the EU for the most of their lives.
Hmmm..more projection. Nobody knows who has changed their mind or not...but I'm not sure the logic would follow through in a second referendum as it wouldn't be fought over the issues it would be fought under the idea that an elite after trusting the electorate with the decision making process now want to ignore the result as it doesn't suit them. Add to this that the same elite has for months called those that voted out idiots, racists etc I think there would be an even bigger "revolt" second time around. People would vote out on the principle that their opinion wasn't counted as valid the first time around...this argument would be much easier for the Brexiteer leadership to rally around and put forward than issues such as immigration or the economy. Simply " the elite want to ignore the will of the people don't let them". Also the outcome would have to be very clear cut. If a second referendum is to be held on the basis that the first was too close; then a second would have to have a meaningful minimum threshold built in....I don't see a result clearing a significant threshold so we would be back to square one...worse if it is a close remain as it would embolden European leaders into disregarding the UK's views on anything...
