The EU debate - Part III

Exactly. You may "have your country back" but there'll be **** all left of it!...

 

So why did a huge amount of intelligent people vote to leave?

 

May wants to keep any decisions out of the hands of the MPs as she knows they actually understand the ramifications and will do their best to kill it. She's a coward.

 

Switch on BBC4 right now. I bet they all voted Leave. You might even feature in the documentary.

 

Off out with me swag shortly.

 

Huge? I'm not so sure about that claim.

Yes, some very bright people voted leave. Mostly for constitutional reasons to do with EU 'interference' etc. I can accept their reasons, although I disagree with their decision.

No, the EU is nowhere near perfect and is in urgent need of reform. I think the realization of that is slowly sinking in, and that the older 'dinosaurs', like Juncker, will soon be marginalised.

In my view, we should have stayed. Our economy was picking up nicely from the crash and we were outperforming virtually all major EU economies - mostly due to our non participation in the single currency. We then would have been in the forefront to push for reform. Now, we're just on the outside, staring in through the window, but unable to change or affect anything.

In short - wrong decision at the wrong time.

 

Unfortunately, she's pathetic!..

I'm really disappointed in her. She's weak, ineffectual, bordering on hapless and helpless.

Talk softly, carry a big stick? May talks loud and carries **** all!...

 

This whole 'we don't want to reveal our hand' bollocks, is the same mentality as Trump's 'I don't want to tell the enemy how I'm going to defeat them'

Basically equals - We haven't got a ****ing clue, so we'll make it up as we go along and we won't ask anybody else because they probably know how to do it better than us.

 

Stan's right. She's too cowardly and protective of her newly gained status to be decisive. Her party is deeply divided. Not only on Brexit itself, but on the terms of our exit.

She's desperately trying to keep both sides happy, and just making herself look weak and indecisive in that process.

 

It will happen. Just like before WW1 when nobody actually wanted war but no one was prepared to back down and risk dishonour.

 

I'm pretty sure absolutely no intelligent people voted to leave, only thick ****s? That might be a bit of an exaggeration, but on the other hand...nah, I was right the first time.

 

As i've said before.....the moronic,idle and untrustworthy should not be allowed to vote.

 

They should be allowed to vote for their representatives in parliament, that's democracy and it works, just about. However, they should definitely not be allowed to vote on the most important issue facing our country since WWII, especially when the decision is potentially irreversable; that's government by plebiscite and it doesn't work. Tbf, only a small % of people on either side of the EU debate were ever going to be qualified to make that decision. The public should not have been given that decision to make because the public knew **** all about it except what they read in a media that had been relentlessly spreading anti EU sentiment for years.

 

Spot on!...

Although there was no vote that took us into the EU, that was done by the Heath Gvt in 1973, there was a referendum on continued support in 1975.

The difference then, of course, was that media wasn't as relentlessly anti EU.

 

More bungled, hotch-potch nonsense from this increasingly incompetent administration.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...mbled-brexit-communications-worry-u-k-bankers

 

Pound sterling could lose its reserve currency status as Brexit hardens, Standard & Poor’s warns

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...tatus-brexit-dollar-euro-latest-a7360956.html

This bit is particularly familiar:

“There seems to be this view that ‘we’re a big important economy, the Europeans export a lot to us, so they have got to give us what we want’, but is that really true?”

“Individually most of these countries don’t export that much to the UK, and were seeing a hardening of attitudes,” he said.

 

If that had been the case Leave would have lost the vote.

The margin was circa 1.2m from memory, meaning a swing of just over 600k people would have seen the opposite result.

The unemployed in their virtual entirety voted leave and there's how many of them?

 

...had my honeymoon there back in the day ..nice little hotel near the Coliseum... loved it ...only downers are very expensive prices (although lovely grub), very skilled gypsy pickpocket kids (some just out of nappies) and fake French fashion salesman needing petrol money to get back to Paris (Sunday special. - the banks are closed) ..have agreat trip ..

 

As we've been saying all along this notion that because collectively the EU supplies more to us than we do to them, that means they have more to lose - is patently not the case, as the largest single exporter only supplies us 7% of their total exports.

44% > 7%

 

Exactly. And this nonsense about negotiating separate deals with countries, like Germany, just ain't going to happen.

It would be illegal for them to do so, apart from anything else. You'd just be told that you have to negotiate through the EU.