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  1. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    Cast of the day.
    I wish i had posted it!
     
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  2. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    He was fishing.
     
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  3. Millwallsteve

    Millwallsteve Waterloo's Finest
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    The job is a poison chalice and managers only sign for a pay off - nuff said.
     
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    Leedsoflondon Well-Known Member

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    Simple answer: no, which is why nothing has changed under a string of different managers in my opinion.
     
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    :emoticon-0127-lipss
     
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  6. Leedsoflondon

    Leedsoflondon Well-Known Member

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    Ristac. When was the last time we beat Portugal? They've knocked us out of a couple of tournaments from memory and made us look very pedestrian in the friendly without scumaldo before the last one.
     
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  7. Doc

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    Ronaldo got a hatrick the other night in a 6 - 0 win and a few days before Ronaldo only got one goal but a team mate got a hatrick. Jeex we aint seen 3 goals in a year
     
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  8. BillysStatue

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    brilliant!!


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  9. Leedsoflondon

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    Doc, I'm agreeing with you, nothing in recent history suggests we're better than Portugal.
     
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    8 Days before the Euro's.
    Well when we beat them this year maybe.
    Apart from the three in Germany we scored in march not a fookin once.
     
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  11. Leedsoflondon

    Leedsoflondon Well-Known Member

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    Blimey I'm getting old <doh>:emoticon-0107-sweat
     
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  12. ristac

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    Last England win in 90 minutes was June 2nd 2016 friendly at Wembley we won 1-0
    Last time they beat us in 90 minutes was 12th June 2000

    In total (including penalties and extra time) we have won 10 lost 5 drew 8
     
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  13. Doc

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    Anyone remeber when Wilkinson took charge of England and think it was as interim manager for 1 match. He was the FA Technical Director and think he brought a young coach with himDave or Steve someone who has since been manager in lower leagues. Wilko won as well and maybe they should have left him in charge to do what he did at Leeds, build from the bottom up.
     
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  14. Leedsoflondon

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    Good memory, I'd be nowhere without google (which I didn't check) <ok><doh>
     
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  15. ristac

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    Lol I googled it, if my memory was that good I'd be making a fortune on game shows <ok>
     
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    I think Wilko had lost the plot by the time he left us
     
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  17. Josh-LUFC

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    We're nowhere near as good as portugal. Lets be honest here all of Pepe, Fonte, Carvalho, Gomes, Moutinho, Sanches, Mario, Ronaldo and probably more are way better than what we have in their positions and would easily walk into our team.

    Having said that, the talent is their in the squad to be doing better than what we are in major tournaments. We always seem lacklustre in possession, personally I think that is down to how little training time they have together more than anything else. However, we as a nation have completely misunderstood this possession based style that we have adopted, its not about keeping possession at all costs and it never has been. You can still be direct but we seem terrified of forward passing. We should be looking to hit the striker's feet as soon as possible with this style with the midfielders running beyond. Look at pep, he plays this style but its anything but rigid in the final third which is why it works. We are always rigid, very little movement, very few options as a result.
     
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  18. BillysStatue

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    Josh, you have just killed your "talent" argument ... lacklustre in possession is not about pre-match training, it's about fear of owning the ball ... the players know that they are being exposed on the International stage, and they don't have an Ozil, Aguero or Hazard to bail them out

    As for being more direct, they do try but fail most times ... go and look at the Slovenia game again and see how many times over hit passes forward went for goal kicks ... Pep's style of fast pass and move with high pressing worked at Barcelona and Bayern because he had brilliant players with not a single Englishman in his teams ... it is working to a point so far at Citeh because he has players like De Bruyne, David Villa and Robinho in his team ... England don't have a starting eleven capable of playing "Pep" football, and that's the bottom line

    England need to go back and play good old "English" football, and ignore the way other countries play ... have a genuine ball-winner in midfield, use wingers, stick two up front, one being a battering ram of a forward, and whack the crap out of opposition defenders ... England will win more games this way, and with the ball going forward quicker the opposition will be under loads more pressure and won't have the time to focus on their tippy tappy stuff ... play to what you have, not what you'd like to be ... England can't get balls into the box because they don't have the strikers to get on the end of things a la Shearer and Lineker, genuine penalty box strikers ... the likes of Sturridge, Vardy and Sterling are effective when defences play high up and they can run onto balls in behind, but International teams tend to sit deep and play out from the back, because they have the talent to keep the ball and pass it from back to front, thereby taking that space in behind away

    It's pointless to look at England's record against Portugal, because they have a shiny fcuk off big trophy in their cabinet ... as you say Josh, most of their players would walk into the England team, and Pepe, Coutinho and Ronaldo are genuinely world class in their positions ... Rooney was meant to be England's Ronaldo, but he has never reached his potential at International level, and this is in part because of the players around him ... at Scum he isn't playing with ten other Englishmen around him, so even when he's a bit off the pace he knows there's genuine talent around him he can give the ball to and something will happen

    And there it is, the Prem teams don't have enough English players in their starting lineups, specially in European ties, and it shows at International level


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  19. Eireleeds1

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    Hope Chesh doesnt read this, he still thinks England are still world beaters <doh>
     
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  20. lifecheshirewhite

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    All crap Eire,are you Billy ? England beat Germany,France and Portugal in last twelve months,they need a plan B to beat teams who park the bus and a better manager and some luck,nothing more.
     
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