The EU debate - Part III

Your fiction may help Wurzles iddy biddy ego, but it doesn't help his 'argument' or this discussion. It just shows you've not read the replies.

Hope that helps.

 

That wasn't tea wetty.

 

It really doesn't help, no. It might help us all to move on if you just admitted you had no idea what you were talking about when you said "such a flimsy system is better off being dismantled and replaced with something more robust".

 

There's a touch of HIAG about Dull Hull. They both make daft comments that they think no one will pick up on and then go into a frenzy trying to deflect and bury the discussion.

 

HIAG's betting on people pulling him up on his comments. Not606 clickbait.

 

You pointless ****ing idiot!

You make a complete **** out of trying to decry some obvious facts, and now we have your usual scrabble for the moral high ground!..

 

What wasn't?

 

Until he goes into meltdown and threatens to sue. Yes, that did happen!

 

That.

 

I've not claimed any 'victory'

I merely asked you to explain what you actually meant, after you claimed my retort was the on the wrong tack.

You've failed to do so, and then post a strawman in a context that makes you look a complete idiot.

 

... if he is ... he has no intention of honouring it

 

Not606's Donald Trump?

 

.. more Ferghal Fart tbf

 

Right then ladies, As you seem to have been squealing and screeching, despite me saying I'd reply when I had more time, you can have this quick reply instead.


Let's look at what was posted, rather than the bullshit and bollocks that wurzle's trying to claim.

The first part, so far nothing has actually happened, we're still in the EU for all of its failings. Yet some are posting articles of doom and gloom about the financial institutions getting in a flap. Some have a basis in truth, others are simply 'wishful' thinking. The fact some are in such a tizz, when in reality nothing has changed, is hardly a demonstration of a robust system.

The duplicity is that, some are getting giddy about the pending court case, which seemingly the institutions heading for the EU (or at least claimed to be) don't seem to have much confidence in a successful outcome for, or they'd keep here as they have been. It can't be glee that the case is running and glee that people are supposedly leaving.

Remain is a misnomer, as there is little doubt that the controlling groups would have seen any vote to remain as a green light for further centralisation. It wouldn't matter how close as there'd be no second referendum, we'd be totally in. We don't know what form the EU would take, but it's nailed on it wouldn't be as it has been.

The second bit is my view that the current financial system globally (not just the EU or UK) is doomed to a boom and bust cycle. It pretty much has to as it's built on debt and false finance run by middle men. The problems we face aren't all down to Brexit, the problem more relates to the current economic model that drives the global market, and drips down to a national and local level.

It's a fragile system, as recent and historical events here and abroad show. The panic at the mere thought that something could happen in the future shows that fragility. We live life on tick, which feeds the nervousness.

As you lacked the patience for me to post a more complete version of my own views, and rather than just blather on, I've had a quick look for articles from magazines the remainers quote that go some way to support the basic claim that the industry knows it's ****ed up, but doesn't know how to solve it.

In a recent lecture, Paul Krugman, winner of the Nobel prize in economics in 2008, argued that much of the past 30 years of macroeconomics was “spectacularly useless at best, and positively harmful at worst.” Barry Eichengreen, a prominent American economic historian, says the crisis (in 2008) has “cast into doubt much of what we thought we knew about economics.”

http://www.economist.com/node/14031376
http://www.economist.com/node/14030288
http://www.economist.com/node/14030296
http://www.economist.com/blogs/buttonwood/2015/05/finance-and-economics

No doubt someone will now tell me what I really think.

 

Yes something has happened, there was a poll and the result has now brought about our unelected PM saying that she's prepared to put immigration ahead of the economy. The pound has sunk as a result, and manufacturing and financial sector businesses are now looking at how they can minimise their risk should that be the eventual outcome. They're forward planning in their own businesses, based on the strong possibility of 'hard brexit' becoming a reality.

That's not showing any weakness in the system at all. the links you posted (1 could only read one as I don't subscribe) was talking about the drivers that make financial traders make the decisions that they do in the market. That's **** all to do with business planning for worst case scenario so as to minimise their risk.
The currency traders are simply looking at long term forecasts and bailing out of sterling, this isn't the kind of knee jerk market swings that you're intimating is behind your original comment about the system itself.

No-one is getting 'giddy' about the court case, merely expressing an opinion on the likely outcome, and surmising about what could happen if it went against the Govt. Which has precisely **** all to do with the current business planning and companies preparing to up sticks if hard brexit is delivered (or if the uncertainty continues for a long period - as any expansion plans might now be considered too risky and if additional resource is required, then a move to the mainland might be viewed as prudent) You labelling posters as duplicitous for understanding both issues as separate entities merely highlights your narrow minded view on the 'right and wrong' of Brexit.

That's not a fact, merely a misguided viewpoint imo. A very close victory for Remain would have seen the UK Govt in a position to use it as a driver for change from within. The idea that it would have seen us locked in the closet without a voice and being subjected to whatever the nasty federalists had in mind, is merely a view that suits your agenda.

Nice googling though, it only took you an afternoon to find a raft of theorists who bemoan the current market lead system, but have no idea what the alternative is.

 

The reply, including google took about five minutes. I wanted to take more time, but some screeching tarts wouldn't listen when I said I'd reply in full later.

Nothing actually happens until we invoke Article 50. There's talking and planning, but nothing really happening that should make a robust market so giddy. That's just how it is.

Unless you reckon the legal actions will amount to nothing, postings about the court case and companies moving are beyond a doubt duplicitous.

It is an absolute fact that a narrow vote for remain would give the EU a free hand. There is no further threat left as there's be no further option to leave.

The financial experts used by the remainers on here support the claim I'm making that the system is fragile. Even those on here in favour of the current system use its nervous nature as a reason we should have voted remain. You either can't grasp my claim or don't understand their position.

 

This is just nonsense. Sorry.

 

Another referendum if the EU went too far with plans to become one nation or move every Syrian immigrant to 362 Church Rd, London SW19 2QF.

Easier to have a second referendum to get out than a second one to stay in as the EU has always been an opt in organisation.

The fact that you present the bit in bold as fact confirms the fact that you're talking out of your hole and are incapable of taking on board any opinion that doesn't tie in exactly with your own. That's why pretty much every one of your posts is shot down and ridiculed.

 

Apology accepted. Feel free to explain yourself.

 

Did the Scottish referendum result give the UK a free hand to completely ignore their wishes?
Have the SNP gone away and ruled out any further attempts to have an independence vote?