The EU debate - Part III

Ex-Lib Dem peer Baroness Manzoor joins Tory party
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37599184

 

don't forget monkeys - or does that go without saying, given who you were talking to?

 

Aye, it seems I overestimated them. I guess that's an easy mistake given their constant claims of intellectual superiority.

Makes me happy to be thick.

 

Dull Hull freak out...

The debate is certainly far wider than claiming that anyone who voted against Brexit is "pro regime" (or a loony leftie) as you put it in your very simplistic way (I make allowances for you as you have admitted that you're thick). Most people aren't pro-EU, they're pro a plan and think that it's easier to implement a plan from the inside.

There is currently no plan. If there is one then please explain it to me as so far what we've been told is that Brexit means Brexit and that there is a plan (but it's not for sharing).

These aren't the droids you're looking for.

 

Did a monkey type that? It's gibberish.

 

Loony leftie?

 

It's not my terminology. Pete has accused me of being one in the past. I have only ever voted Tory.

But I know he likes to categorise people.

He'd have volunteered to work at the camps in the 40's.

 

Instead of trying desperately to be 'one of the gang' you'd be better served trying to work things out for yourself, then you'd perhaps see why your 'looney lefty' comment is funny as **** when related to the question I asked.

 

Do you mean the "Remoaners" as you refer to them / us / me / anyone who disagrees with your warblings?

That post was a good impression of Pete though. I suggest more use of the word "seem".

 

Fair enough, stick to your usual persona. I was only trying to help.

As a clue, seeing it as just two sides to this situation will keep making you look silly.

 

Translated as

 

In your mind, I don't doubt it.

 

This comment has been made over and over again, can you explain WHAT this plan was, because I don't remember any plans being shared, on reforming the EU?

 

The EU accepts that it needs to evolve and change in order to survive. We won't be part of the formulation of any plans or decisions. Instead we will stand on the outside while our key trading partner makes decisions that don't take the UK into account. How is that a good thing?

 

They weren't shared, as most of the political parties didn't think that the EU was doing much wrong.
A lot of people disagree, but most of the criticism was either false, vague or opposed to the whole thing.

Immigration is the major issue and that'll come to a head in the next couple of years.
The current situation looks pretty unsatisfying for most of those involved, so I expect it to change.
The UK won't be able to influence it at all now, though.

 

Because the EU will not change, it will collapse, only a blind man or a remoaner cant see that.

 

Sorry but what a load of nonsense. The only time evolving and change was mentioned was after the vote, when these became convinent sound bites.
The reality is, if we had voted to remain, we would have sent a strong message that we are happy with the way the EU is run.
In my opinion, very little would have changed in the short term and longer term change would be dictated by events such as elections in Germany and France.

 

To be fair, there was a fair bit of noise from the EU having to evolve before the brexit vote. I think the phrase 'it cannot continue to be business as usual, regardless of which way the UK vote' was used. Although, it may only have come about due to the referendum being held in the first place.

 

I was typing my reply as this was posted, and both comments are similar in response.
However, I'm not sure how the UK will influence upcoming elections in both Germany and France, where I fear the far right movements will win.

 

So you keep saying. You're the one making claims. Back them up, or shut the **** up!....