Match Day Thread 2016/17 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

The guys over at Salford Quays are extremely offended that Swansea dodged the Giggs bullet and gave the job to the yank.

 

I bet they are.

apparently giggs stunk the place out when interviewed.

all reports are utd dodged a serious bullet themselves on giggs. he is another neville. no actual clue on the coaching.

 

Yeah, I reckon the nation as a whole dodged the Giggs to Swansea bullet, imagine the prominence the guys at the quays would have gave Swansea on their site(akin to Valencia under Neville)and the licence payers dosh spent buy BBC sport on the documentaries that would no doubt have followed..... Phew!

 

Problem is these ex players want a job at the top right away. Fair enough giggs has done a bit as assistant manager for couple years but ex players need to start at the bottom and work way up.

He should go manage club in league 1, work his way up not just expect a top level job from day 1

 

Whilst I agree, the problem is that if you're manager of a League 1 side you're never going to work your way up. That theory simply isn't the reality unless you promote a side yourself two divisions. The truth is that unless the club get a proven manager (not Giggs I know) at the top level, they will look abroad. Which is exactly what Swans have done.

 

I totally agree. Management should be a 10 year apprenticeship to really learn your trade.

 

this is also true. so go coaching... you have to do the basics right first.

 

Teams in the Prem will yes, but champ teams won't, then do well at champ club and get promoted or attract interest from others etc.

 

How many top teams appoint managers from the lower ranked sides? Only ones I can think of in recent memory are Moyes from Everton to Man Utd and Rodgers from Swansea to Liverpool. Neither were exactly great were they?

Maybe Poch from Saints to Spurs too but he was only there a season and Spurs aren't a top side

 

Go abroad? Only 4-5 top top teams in Prem so go abroad and make name for yourself there then.

 

My view is its about how long a guy stays somewhere and how shrewd he is.

England players are not at all shrewd.

Look at steve bruce. He started ok in management by hopping around seeking the right club but then he ****ed it by a couple bad choices and staying there too long.

Before long you get type cast.

But lets be honest. They all seem to dump their chance at winning a cup but those whi do go win something do get a big job chance.

Basically for me more of them need to show a wee bit of ambition in the cups and try show their worth. 40 points is not actually impressive to anyone at the top end of the table is it?

 

Worked for hodgson

But seriously start with coaching badges before you are 30, get the pro license, be grateful for a youth coaching job and work up from there.

 

Going by the comments, nobody else seems to have read this like I did. I took 'working your way up' to mean promotion. I agree with this sentiment. Neville is a case in point, got a top job that he couldn't handle. If he really has what it takes then he should be able to take a championship side up. If he doesn't have what it takes then he's not going to succeed at another top club so it's better for managers in waiting like him and Giggs to put the spade work in in a lower league, learn the trade first before attempting to take a top job. Maybe their clubs [utd in both these cases, but all clubs with players aspiring to be managers] should have a pathway to management whereby they start with the U18's or whatever and see if they have a potential for management before stepping into a 'real' managers job.

 

I can only think of Rodgers who's managed that in recent history? In that same period you've had over 30 foreign managers walk straight into prem jobs (top 10 clubs).

I'm not arguing for Giggs here, just simply saying that the idea any trainee manager can cut his teeth in the lower leagues for X years, then work his way up and eventually get a job at a top prem club... is very unlikely. It's noble principle but those days sadly, are consigned to history.

 

I can refute that in two words - Eddie Howe,

 

When i say top job I'm talking anything Prem level like giggs to Swansea. Players shouldn't walk into Prem jobs in their first proper job, they ahould go to lower clubs and work there way up. Prove their worth.

 

So he worked at two lower league clubs and got one promoted to the PL (a very, very good achievement), how does that refute the statement that it's unlikely for a lower team manager to be given a job by a top club?
If he does well with Bournemouth in the top flight (which he is doing so far) then other top flight clubs may look at him. If he had not been promoted with Bournemouth then it is unlikely any top flight team would have taken a risk on him.

 

Lets see where Howe ends up. Hardly refutes what I've said though. Especially if we start listing the foreign managers who've taken over up and down the prem. I really don't understand what there is to argue, I'm not against it in principle but the reality is that it's all just a nice pie in the sky idea.

 

That wasn't what I was refuting. Didn't you see the bit I put in bold? That's the bit I was refuting.