Biggest Hypocrisy there is. You can't teach killing as an acceptable process... By all means lock them away for life (a lifetime, not 25 years) and throw away the key for those who deserve it!!
you have to isolate religion from power and greed no religion preaches power and greed, in fact the complete opposite Whta it is is that power and greed USE everything around them to try and be more powerful and greedy. This includes religion. You can look at anything that is practiced and you will see it being abused This ranges from funding for religion to funding for science to evolution theory Religion is often used as the scapegoat by many as the source of all evil, however it is usually politics of some sorts that lead to the ACTUAL upheavel It suprises many when they find out that Yasser Arafat head of the PLO was married to a jew tariq aziz (saddams right hand man) was a practising christian In fact look at india and pakistan, supposed to be about religion, yet more muslims live in india than pakistan. and Jinnah (the first prime minister of pakistan) was not even a muslim according to some sources. Bhutto was an alcoholic I would go as far as to say that all the so called wars in the name of religion would be sorted overnight if they were truly about religion
Agreed, people always seem to use religion as an excuse for the world problems. People cause problems, not religion. Radicals who use religion as their 'excuse' for wrong-doings are not as 'religious' as they like to think!
You gonna ****ing pay for it then After Britain rightfully hanged James Hanratty the opposition said that "if just one person is killed wrongly it makes a mockery of it" By that edict then if a released prisoner goes on to kill again then that is equally and morally wrong. In todays age we can not be expected to pay for murdering ****philes and alike to have the good life at our expense. No one wants to be barbaric but where no doubt exists through DNA or admittance i.e. Sutcliffe, West, Huntley & Shipman why keep the ****s alive at great cost?
the problem with the whole death penalty debate is the way people approach it. forget about religion for a second, forget about the method Think about it from the angle of punishment. The way i see it if a person has no qualms in taking a persons possessions, raping a person, and ultimately killing a person then that person has overstepped a line now do we say 'ahh well' or do we have something in place? IMO the person by committing those acts has isolated themselves from the rest of society, they have given us the two fingers if you will Now why should that person then have the same 'rights' as the rest of us? yes they should have rights, but the rights of a criminal who made a choice processes and procedures need to be in place, they have to be as 'perfect' as possible. But mistakes will happen How we deal with the mistakes is the key If a person is punished wrongly then there has to be comuppence for the justice system, this is what doesnt exist as such If the coppers involved in the G6 etc were truly punished would it be an issue? or even happen as regularly? the ripper, huntley etc deserve to be dead
I'm not suggesting that they should have an easy life, supplemented by the tax payers... you just can't implement the death penalty that on so many occasions has turned out to punish the innocent. I agree that many of these hardened, sickening criminals are getting off lightly with the treatment they get and on occasion the early releases the receive. There needs to be an overhaul but the death penalty will never be the correct option in my eyes.
i liken this debate to the gun debate in America. i just dont think we, as a species, can be trusted with it
It's not hypocritical at all. There's a big difference between killing innocents just because some psychopath feels like it, and killing a convicted murderer. Besides can you teach locking people away for life ( i.e. Josef Fritzl ) as an acceptable process? Doing that to innocents is probably even worse than killing them. Besides murderers will murder regardless of what you teach them. The only thing you can do with these rotten apples is give them a suitable punishment for their crimes. I am yet to hear any convincing argument against death penalty. Some people, due to the horrendous crimes they have committed, simply do not deserve to live. I don't see what good keeping them in a cage for the rest of their lives does to anyone as opposed to just killing them. And what's with the religion rubbish? I find it plain incredible that in 2011 people believe on some unseen entity just because a 2000-year old Middle Eastern folk tale book claims it exists. The same book claims the earth is flat and that slavery is acceptable, do you believe in that too? The belief that there is some kind of entity controlling all things is an ancient superstitious belief that doesn't belong in the 21st century. Snakes don't talk. Let go.
There's not many people doing time for murder who are genuinely innocent. Obviously, it's a shame if we execute a few innocents from time to time; but that's just bad luck on their part. A bit like the kid who got eaten by a polar bear today - I bet he never thought it likely he would get eaten by a polar bear, but he did and it's a bummer for him. But not many people get offed that way. You just have to put it down to bad luck. And that's how innocent people dying at the hands of the state should look at it too, just the way it goes sometimes. Camus said as much in The Stranger although in a slightly more eloquent, and less nonsensical manner, I must concede.
thats all well and good, as long as its not you or one of your loved ones thats been executed by mistake.
You would just have to look at it like you would if your loved one got eaten by a polar bear on holiday. An unfortunate quirk of fate.
yes of course, just shrug it off, oh well, ho hum, thats life i guess,never mind. its so easy to say isnt it? ( i am not sure the polar bear analogy is appropriate when discussing possible state murder/justice/retribution/cock up ) please delete where necessary.
Even if you were to bring back the death penalty, who decides who dies and who doesn't? How many people do you have to kill and how? Monsters like Fred West and Harold Shipman thought that death was preferable to time in prison, anyway. One more thing on the god debate. There's absolutely no proof that one exists. Regardless of the moral debate about which religion is right and if people are living by their tenets, there's nothing to say that there's anyone listening to your prayers.
There are several websites dedicated to the theory that Huntley was fitted up and the real cuplrit was a US serviceman from the base outside of which the bodies were found.
So how many people would be executed every year if you guys had your way? 1000? 2000? 100? 10? Whatever it is, it won't save **** mpney-wise, unless you do it concentration camp style. The few people that would be executed unfairly would be well pissed off
the problem with the whole god debate is perception and a persons background You see in the process of trying to prove/disprove the existence of god certain things have been 'rationalised' for example when we think of god we think of a man in white, with a white beard. Does he exist? NO then we have the centuries of 'changing' things to suit, give caesar what is caesars....etc In reality the concept of god is not as easily rationalised, yet it is not difficult if you forget what you have been fed For example mother nature can be/is god. the big bang can be/is god god is a term that is used simply to mean a 'creator' and the fact is the universe was 'created' by a force/entity most religious books i have read (including the bible, quran etc) dont give an 'image' of god. In fact they actually tell you that it is beyond human comprehension I do agree what we hear today is far fetched and 'rationalised' but i think that has more to do with what i said earlier in that over time people have tried to make god 'visible' so given him features etc. What that has lead to is people turning away rather than what was the desired outcome
