just a quick question. I am going to GUESS that as i watched celtci being hammered by city in the second half that i saw a section in a quadrant of celtic park bouncing up and down.. the reast of the areas around it were all sitting. Was this the safe standing and how did celtic fans get away with standing when the uefa rules is they must be seated?
Good questions. Did Bisc say European games have to be seated - if so, don't know how they got away with it.
They say it's already happening in some German grounds 2 per seat when at standing games. Presumably for Euro games they have to only admit 1 per seat or it just doesn't work. As the majority of games are league then they can take twice as much at those games which is a good margin. It sounds like the 'safe' aspect is being compromised for money - what a surprise.
soooo how does that work. there is a seat but the capacity would be say 24k in a league game on the kop but then on a european game they only let one in to be back at 12k? I could "understand" you sell two tickets for seat 23 row 4 of block 103 but how do you sell 1.8 seats? do you put different numbers down... say row 4 would have x seats but its got 1.8x standing spaces marked?
The issue is people standing in sitting areas. If you have kids and you've got **** tonne of people standing in front I imagine it's a right pain. Having a desigbated stading area means people know that's what's happening, and if they have kids who won't be able to see then they won't book in that area. People that want to stand because they enjoy it more (thinking older generation that used to do it?) can then book a ticket for that area where they won't keep getting told to sit down and won't be in people's ways.
It is a terrible pain. I don't mind as an adult, the up and down all the time keeps you warm and its exciting frankly. but... yeah nobody but nobody can see if they are short or a kid. the thing is... it will not stop the seated areas doing it. anway. it's very tempting 54,100 now going to 58.4k with anfield road end... then add 12k for kop = 70k stadium... its tempting obviously. we'd never get permission for it due to traffic management etc.
It's getting a bit complicated isn't it? I presume it's not so much done on selling a seat number but back to selling the capacity for a particular area [that website called it the Green Guide]. For those trialling the system I guess no seats in that area are ST seats, so for every 10 tickets they sell in the area they can sell a further 8 and fans stand more or less where they want with steward directorship.
I stand when watching the game in a pub - even if there are seats - because it just feels right somehow. Those new things look a bit odd to me, I'm not sure how safe is "safe". If someone just loses their balance a bit it seems easy to fall over the rail front or back because there isn't enough room to regain your footing, then you can start a domino effect. In ye olden days we would all just stumble down a few steps until the equilibrium was regained. As kids we used to sit on the barriers - we'd frequently get knocked off onto the guy in front then the one behind would reach over and plonk you back on your perch.
but wheres the safety in that? Surely they've have to at the minimum sell a row number cos if everyone wants to get to front of stand and all go down the one area its not safe of stairs and such? I dunno there must be someone who knows on celtic board. I googled celtic and found this http://www.the42.ie/celtic-safe-standing-2881837-Jul2016/ 1. it was the exact section i saw. 2. it is described as cannot stand "However, the club won’t be able to use the safe-standing area in the corner of the Lisbon Lions stand during European fixtures as Uefa don’t allow any spectators to stand in Champions League or Europa League competitions." then i found this http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/myths/hard-to-police it seems its a ticket per block 1000 per block.. so all 1000 could decided to do anywhere in the block so first come first served etc. You cannot retrospectively identify a guy for an offence so you have to witness it and act on the day but somehow "trapping" offenders by standing a cop on each end of the rails and asking him nicely to come out.
Just looked again and the rail seems quite high, so perhaps falling over it isn't a problem. Still seems a bit weird though.
There isn't a "getting away with it" issue. European rules say seating must be provided. It doesn't say people must be forced to sit down. If people are in a area that is designated for standing for domestic games, chances are the same people will be there so they'll stand at the European games regardless of the seating rule.
One or two falling over the barrier isn't going to cause too much of an issue. EDIT: just saw your comment about barriers being higher than you thought
Numbers on seats when seating is in place. Numbers on floor when standing in in place. Just make sure only one of those numbers is ever visual
