fair enough I am no expert, thought Hitler continued the anti capitalist sentiment with big business is run by world jewry line. Probably just goes along with a whole load of other nonsense I was taught in school.
The victors always write the history we are taught and, funnily enough, always turn out to be the good guys
Spot on but not only were we the good guys absolutely everything about the losers was bad and it was all their fault. Truly Orwellian.
Originally, Hitler and Goebbels, at least in the 1920s, were passionately anti-capitalist but once the Nazis became a real force in German politics during the 1930s, Hitler realised he would need the support of the small-c conservative middle-class and the big industrial corporations and their capitalist owners so he kinda capitulated to them. After that, he needed to purge the Nazi party of its radically left-wing socialist elements to appease the middle and upper classes. Hitler continued to use the rhetoric of socialism in his speeches but he misunderstood the concepts of socialism and instead started referring to Germany's economy as 'productive capitalism' as opposed to the laissez-faire 'parasitic capitalism' they associated with international Jewry. Socialism by its very definition, as defined by the likes of Marx, Kropotkin, Proudhon and Bakunin, is an economic system where the workers own and control the means of production. A lot of people, particularly in the US but also here in the UK and Europe, falsely believe socialism is about high taxes, nationalised industry, universal healthcare, a welfare state and state ownership. That isn't socialism; it's social democracy based on Keynesian economics which is inherently capitalist and people on both the right and the left make this common misconception. For socialism to exist, the workers have to own the means of production, not the state, private corporations or individuals. This is why modern socialist theorists don't class the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, Venezuela etc. as socialist because those countries' governments controlled the means of production, not the workers. You can have state socialism like Yugoslavia under Tito where the government ensured the workers' ownership but the state itself did not own industry, agriculture or land, or you can have stateless socialism (social anarchism) like Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War where workers' ownership was ensured by trade unions and the community. That brings me on to another misconception about socialism: private property. There's a big difference between private property (property that generates capital based on other peoples' labour, e.g. factories, large farms) and personal property (personal possessions, e.g. a house you occupy, TVs, vehicles, laptops, phones, tools etc.). Socialists want to abolish private property so that people can't generate capital and revenue on the work of others but personal property is fine and actually encouraged. The Nazis under Hitler ensured private ownership, therefore they can never be classed as socialists. Otto and Gregor Strasser on the other hand wanted to establish a German workers' state, a German socialist republic, where private property would be abolished and German workers controlled the means of production. Hence, why they were purged by Hitler and his supporters.
Is any of our mods authorized to award a degree (Bachelors, Masters, Doctoral) for excellent performance in esoteric regurgitation? Especially on a football forum?
I mean, you can take the piss out of me for being a sad **** and having an interest in a topic but coming onto a football forum and practically begging strangers to wish you a happy birthday is something else. Was it because none of your family wished you a happy birthday?
Aye, a long way from the truth, but if it helps you with your self-esteem issues, that's cool with me. Is it you or the other one on here who's struggling with their own genome questions? Over and out.
This was moving along in its own way, no harm being done, just a read and discuss your view thread. Don't disrupt it simply for the sake of a personal jibe, just post your own version of history, as none of this will change the world or even Cincinnati.
A search on Google appears to give a lot of support to claims from conspiracy theorists about crisis actors, false flags etc however, a closer look from sites such as snopes, blows most of the theories clean out of the water, and really does make the theories insulting to those that were involved.
So everyone offering constructive contributions to this thread on conspiracies is a no mark? There are too many people on here embroiled in personal tit for tat battles, trying to gain kudos from other posters by attacking their posts and generally acting like pretentious ****s. That's not something I'm into. I don't have the time nor the energy. So unless you wish to offer an olive branch, don't reply.
You're a neo-Nazi, aren't you? I'm not taking the piss, it's just that judging by your previous comments on Jews and the Nordic imagery in your avatar I would have assumed you were somewhere on the far-right of the political spectrum. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I know we have this 'no politics, no religion' rule but there's also a third rule about not being an arse to each other and that gets broken all the time. What's so sacred about the first two rules? Wouldn't it be better to just have a single pinned thread on politics and current events? How a about a vote on it? No? Alright.
We recently had a vote on it and it was rejected and unless you want this thread locked, I'd leave it there, there's been plenty of leeway given already. Ta.
