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Trump vs Clinton - round one

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by GroveRanger, Sep 27, 2016.

  1. Toby

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    Her opinions on Iran and Russia? Have you heard Trump speak about the Middle East? His solution for Syria?

    Lots of mainstream politicians have their own email servers, it's really not hard to set up and offers more security than a Hotmail account. I wouldn't trust confidential emails to a government server in the US, the NSA/CIA/etc would be all over it.

    Political connections? So ****ing what? What does that even mean? She's been in politics for a while?

    Trump is a deranged racist mong, he'd be the biggest threat to world peace we've seen in half a century.
     
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  2. GroveRanger

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    Is that a generalization I see?

    Wait a minute....


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    Where?

    Nice swerve on the last post btw <ok>
     
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    "Clinton in power will be no different to Obama, same people pulling the strings" - Care to elaborate? What string pullers are you referring to?

    Not wanting to swerve anything;

    "Trump used to vote democrat too, why do you claim in the next part that he just did it to 'shake up the Republican party', as if he'd give a **** about that. The man is an egomaniac, of course he wants to be President ffs." Trump has swung between Democrat and Republican for years, he even supported The Reform Party started by another utter tool Ross Perot. You are saying stuff and don't know what you mean. You make bold statements with nothing to back it up in the same thread where you are digging me out for apparently doing the same thing.

    If you were the last human being on the planet you'd get schizophrenia just so you could argue with yourself.
     
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    She broke protocol ... protocols put in place to stop people from hiding information

    She broke protocol for a reason ... Secretary of State hiding emails ?? Nothing to see ...

    She has political connections through her and bills long time in politics ... and they will have built up a range of favours to be paid back. And it won't simple be , Back me up, support my bill etc

    Trump will have no power ... he blows a lot of hot air !

    He might be deranged and racist but he'll not be able to do any of note ...he will be reigned in if he becomes president . He'll be puppet ...he won't be able to put any of his ideas in place .

    If you honestly believe trump is more dangerous than Clinton then I don't think there's anything I can say that will change your mind .
     
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  6. GroveRanger

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    My fear is that Trump will be so out of his depth that he will have no control over his senators or governors and just be a puppet. Having never held a political position he's not got the experience of how things work on Capitol Hill. The possible benefit of this would be that wiser heads will be making the decisions but as these would be far right wingers it could end up a total sh*t storm.

    It is a sad state of affairs when all the Yanks can come with is Trump and Clinton. Him at 70 and her at 68 would mean it highly unlikely for either to do a second term. Not that age should be the deciding factor, of course, but jobs like that take a toll. You only have to compare images of Obama or Blair before and after election to see how quickly they aged.

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    The Democratic party that they represent will still be in power. Clinton is even part of Obama's crew ffs <doh> Nothing will change if she's elected.

    You completely failed to understand my point and went off on a random tangent. Well done <applause>

    Still waiting on your justification of Trump wanting to treat Mexico like Putin has treated Chechnya and Ukraine?
     
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    There's no logic there whatsoever. Why would Trump be a puppet and not Clinton? He'll be the President ffs, of course he'll put his ideas through (as long as Congress approves).

    Trump wants to carpet bomb the Middle East, has talked about nuking North Korea and wants to ban all muslims from the US, and you think Clinton is a threat?

    As for the political favours, how do you know she owes them? Maybe her rise to candidate was her calling in favours owed to her? That's just pure bullshit right-wing speculation.
     
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    Presidents generally have no power ...

    Figure heads

    However, the Clintons has been in politics a long time ... they will have gained massive favours and no doubt they owe loads in return.

    Trump is an idiot and will owe favours also but ask yourself , who will owe more ...

    An example is Secretary of State married to an ex US president

    Or a businessman

    The whole secret personal server has been brushed over ... what was she hiding ? Why the FBI investigating ?

    I've read enough to believe a well connected politician is a bigger threat than a windbag like Trump

    Both will be disastrous ...

    But in very different ways
     
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  10. Toby

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    Clinton won't be disastrous, unless you consider Obama to be disastrous.

    Trump is a genuine threat.

    No point in debating this further. This 'favours' thing is pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Clinton won't have an IOU written with 'Invade Iran' written on it, whereas Trump could wake up in a bad mood one day and decide to bomb another country.

    The email server is a common thing among mainstream politicians over there. Her main ****up was mixing personal and work emails, but that's only because she's old and a noob.
     
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    I would have preferred Jeb Bush he seems like a decent guy.
     
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    And would trump just do that ? <laugh>

    I seriously doubt he could even if he wanted !

    I think Obama is a failure ...

    Trump would be a car crash

    Clinton is dangerous
     
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    Obama is a disaster he is still invading the Middle East ****ed over the blacks that voted for him , worst race relations since the 1960s on his watch tanked the economy and sneaked in tons of stealth bills (executive orders) that further erode civil liberties.
    Also recently vetoed a bill where 911 family members can sue the Saudis.
    Barry Soetero is just a crack whore CIA mind controlled script kiddy.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/91184976/?client=ms-android-orange-gb
     
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    The well publicized fact that Trump wants to build a wall across the whole of Mexico to keep out immigrants makes my assumption justified. The fact that he alluded to the National Rifle Association being up for assassinating Hilary Clinton might have something to do with it. If he'd said "As soon as I get into power I will annex Mexico" or "As soon as I get into power I will invade Mexico and kill their citizens" he'd have been laughed/booed off the stage but his racist posturing shouldn't be seen as any less significant especially in a country built by immigrants.

    Putin has annexed Ukraine and waged war on Chechnya, acts that Trump thinks show that Russia know how to look after themselves. He's standing on an anti-immigration platform and that is why I think there is a comparison.

    In one of the Trump Town Hall meetings the moderator asked Trump about Putin;

    "He's also a guy who annexed Crimea, invaded Ukraine, supports Assad in Syria, supports Iran, is trying to undermine our influence in key regions of the world, and, according to our intelligence community, probably is the main suspect for the hacking of the DNC computers," the moderator said.
    Trump responded by arguing, in effect, that Barack Obama was just as bad."


    What is this Tobes? An "I hate Trump more than you do!" poll?
     
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    The yanks will get the president they deserve ...

    Just as long as we don't get Dragged into any **** storm they create ... as per
     
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    Brexit is the ultimate proof that uninformed mongs now love to repeat easy soundbites and cliched unfounded statements because they think it makes them sound like they know what they're talking about, with ****ed up consequences.

    You're part of the 'Corbyn is unelectable' brigade too <doh>

    He never said the NRA were up for assassinating Clinton, yet again you're distorting the truth. He won't invade/annex Mexico then? Glad it only took about 4 pages to make you admit to that. Still waiting on the rest of it <ok>

    Facts are important <ok>
     
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    I voted Remain so I'm not sure why you've mentioned Brexit in a thread about Trump & Clinton.

    I will have £50 with you right now on Corbyn losing the next general election.

    You appear to have forgotten the flack Trump got after this;
    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/09/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-second-amendment/
    Sorry, apparently he was only joking.

    The importance of facts can be weighed by the consideration given to them. I could tell you a Panda was black and white and just to be contrary you are the type of twat who would say "more like very dark brown and ivory actually".
     
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    Grove is the new Dev
     
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    Jesus ****ing Christ, do you not understand basic English sentences?

    Second amendment people? You realise they're not the NRA?

    If you just admitted you're talking absolute pish then I'd leave it at that. You're defending yourself with hilarious pictures of me and ****ty digs, when you've been wrong every time.

    Go away <ok>
     
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    Not more spot the panda pics please, I'm ****e at them!
     
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