The EU debate - Part III

None of the talk now matters
Only negotiations matter

 

We are doing negotiations? I thought we were just going to demand everything we want because we won the war.

 

Aren't talking and negotiating similar things?

 

No ****

Well actually quite a bit of **** thanks to Brexiteers with no experience of trade negotiations who expect the EU to roll over. Problem is they are getting a bit sick of the bravado
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/da850d86-82f1-11e6-8897-2359a58ac7a5

 

Send in the gunboats! The foreigners are becoming restless!...

 

It will be interesting to see how long it lasts before May say **** this Hard Brexit or the EU back tracks and offers a deal that limits Migration and still offers single market/passporting

 

Or (more likely) the EU doesn't ever offer access to free trade without free movement as all 27 countries wouldn't agree to it.

 

Yes and no, hope that clears it up for you.

PS What do you think will happen with the Labour party now JC won again

 

Looks like negotiations will be over in 10 mins then.

 

that's another misunderstanding of basic logic
talking includes anything involving verbal communications
negotiations are done with the aim of arriving at a deal
I wouldn't think discussing a football match (while involving talking) is similar to a negotiation
think of cows and elephants: a cow has four legs and so do elephants - does that mean cows and elephants are similar?

 

I just can't believe that we spend all that money on nukes, yet we never use them.

 

I dont think you could have read article 50. Only a qualified MAJORITY is needed - not unanimous decision

 

Stunning insight.

 

Yes and No clears it up nicely lol!

At the risk of going off on a totally different tangent, I believe that now JC has won, membership and support will continue to increase (600k and growing), those purged will be accepted back in (if they still want to), but that Tom Watson and the PLP will now spend their time trying to limit the power of the membership - they are trying to make it so that only the PLP/MPs can select the Shadow Cabinet, not the leader or through elections via the membership. They will fight to ensure that the membership don't have the power to deselect MPs who don't serve Labour values or work for their constituents. But I do think that those MPs in less secure seats, or the 'lukewarm' coup ones will come back in to the fold and accept Shadow Cabinet positions.

Meanwhile I expect the PLP, Portland House PR, Saving Labour and Tom Watson and certain others (Mandleson, Blair ect I've already seen Blunkett doing it) will continue to brief against Corbyn and Labour and attack Corbyn rather than the Tories, building up their campaign until the next election in the hope they can either a) remove him before the election - unlikely with his support or b) ensure a defeat and blame it on the left, ensuring the removal of Corbyn, McDonnell and others and a return to Blairite centre-right policies in a self-fulfilling prophecy.

For Corbyn, while I think he should deselect people like Hilary Benn, Stephen Kinnock, Tom Watson and the like who have actively attacked their own party at the time when the Tories were at their weakest. I think he'll again offer positions of power to MPs across the whole broad church of Labour, as he did previously. He will offer an olive branch to these people and then continue attacking the Tories austerity programme.

 

That's the idea. Would you prefer we had to use them?
If we didn't have them there's more chance of some countries using theirs.

 

They have one thing in common, they're both smaller than you.

 

Every country has a veto - so any new deal that is created post-Article 50, which is what we are talking about, would need the agreement of every single country.

 

If you are still confused about the difference between talking and negotiating I explained it for you.

 

Exactly,
Agreeing to the terms the UK leave the EU is qualified majority but any future free trade deal will require ratification of all member states

 

Someone tell him that he's wrong again.

However, if the final agreement cuts across policy areas within the preserve of the member states, such as certain elements of services, transport and investment protection – as many recent EU FTAs have done (for example with Peru and with Columbia) – it will be classed as a ‘mixed agreement’ and require additional ratification by every national parliament in the EU. The EU Treaties would also need to be amended to reflect the UK’s departure. In effect, this means that the final deal at the end of a negotiated UK exit from the EU would need to be ratified by EU leaders via a qualified majority vote, a majority in the European Parliament and by the remaining 27 national parliaments across the EU.