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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by thefanwithnoname, Aug 5, 2011.

  1. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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    Exactly.
     
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  2. EDGE

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    From my own personal point of view, who has witnessed first hand, and recounted on here, how corrupt the organisation is, and how incompetent some of their staff are, I say get rid.

    It's a huge drain on the economy, is uncompetitive and should be privatised.
     
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  3. PleaseNotPoll

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    So we could carry on paying for it anyway and making lots of money for private individuals, who would all dodge their taxes?
    Great idea.
     
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  4. thefanwithnoname

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    there is elements of truth in this

    one of the biggest factors for the NHS is purchase of drugs/medecines
    This is a huge industry and is where the money is globally
    These companies dont allow for 'cheaper' drugs to be manufactured (case in point the AIDS/HIV drugs the africans were able to produce for 20p but the company produced cost £200 they got taken to court and had to stop)
    This is what costs the NHS loads of money, and the middle management are there to try and get good deals. They are often sales people

    I have a mate who works in the industry, his job is to wine and dine GP's and consultants so they buy their products
     
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  5. The Raging Oxter

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    They said the same thing about the energy industry and how much better and competitive and cheaper it would be if it was privatised. And idiots fell for it!

    They said the same thing about the rail industry and how much better and competitive and cheaper it would be if it was privatised. And idiots fell for it!
     
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  6. EDGE

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    <cheers>
     
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  7. EDGE

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    Energy companies are better in the Private sector.

    Rail is better in the private sector.
     
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  8. The Raging Oxter

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    That's pish, and you know it.
     
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  9. Sam Axe

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    Exactly. Before the recession people benefited from greater competition in terms of service and cost after these industries were privatised.
     
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  10. EDGE

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    No it's not
     
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    I agree, privatisation is not the way forward with the NHS. More a looking at what it was meant for. not IVF and Gastric bands, and the current favourite psychiatry

    But if you look into the NHS (or local govt) it is in essence privatised. From the cleaners, who are private contractors to consultants who work there in a private capacity but take on the odd NHS job

    Ironically the whole 'private sector is lower paid than the public sector' is only true largely to the 'private' sector that is in the public sector. What I mean is the cleaner at your local hospital is actually from the private sector, as part of a tendering process, which involves the 'cheapest' bid winning. so the worker is often poorly paid

    funny thing is that under the public sector pay was better as was the service

    Another example is bin men, these are private companies under a public badge. This is why they cant go into your garden to collect your bin and why its often fortnightly collections
     
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  12. PleaseNotPoll

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    People haven't benefited at all from the privatisation of those industries.
    Rich individuals have, the taxpayer has continued to pay out, jobs have been slashed and services are no better.
     
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  13. The Raging Oxter

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    Exactly.
     
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  14. thefanwithnoname

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    This was just the 'sweetner' for it all to go through

    Its a bit like tuition fees for university, there was the whole 'we have a focus group to ensure universities cant do what they want'
    and the whole 'we will cap....'

    once it is there it becomes a free for all

    its a bit like the supermarkets, in the name of competition loads sprung up, then the bigger ones just bought the little ones, and they all 'fix' prices get fined and carry on
     
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  15. EDGE

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    Bollocks.

    When the energy companies and rail was privatised, taxpayers got a great deal and were preferential buyers I seem to recall, (I was 10 at the time) and alot of normal folk benefited from it.

    Jobs have been slashed? Why would that be then?

    Services are no better? Switch supplier then.
     
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  16. EDGE

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    Totally agree with this. We should be looking at some sort of regualtion to stop companies becoming "too big".
     
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  17. thefanwithnoname

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    see my last post

    I agree that initially it was all sweetness and light

    seems the public never learn

    It was the same promises and honeymoon period with transport services. It just never lasts and they know it wont but by that time the public have been fooled and cant do anything about it
     
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  18. Sam Axe

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    This alone is a case for privatisation. If people are not happy with the service they can switch providers like you do for insurance, broadband, groceries, fuel.....the list goes on. That freedom of choice is what this country should be all about. Privatisation of healthcare would make it more competitive and therefore organisations would strive for the best possible service.
     
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  19. PleaseNotPoll

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    All the energy suppliers charge similar amounts, so switching is largely pointless.
    You get a slightly better deal, at which point they all make slight changes and you still end up with a **** deal.
    Obviously you don't even have that choice with the rail system.

    Jobs were slashed as it's a great way to reduce expenditure.
    Who gives a crap about the consumer, right?

    Giving people preferential treatment when acquiring those early shares is pretty pointless if they can't afford them and they don't know what they're doing.
    It was just another way for the rich to get richer.

    Nationalise the lot again and tell anyone who's put out to **** off, frankly.
    It hasn't worked and it won't work for anything else, either.
     
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