If only we had them in their prime.

Not so surprising. There were loads of 'dirty old men' on the Fulwell End in those days 'looking for prey'. Everybody knew who they were. It was a good system, when you think about it. Kids who wanted to avoid it stood well away (and the guy in question came after the kick off, and I didn't notice him to start with). Kids who wanted something to happen - curiosity maybe, or they'd done it before and enjoyed it - chose a spot near to them, hoping to get 'selected'. It was self-regulating, and did nobody any harm. You always had the choice of doing what I did, and walk away. Today is much more stupid. Publishing the names of known sex offenders provides willing kids with a list of back doors they can knock on for 'a bit of experience'. We're just playing into the sex offenders' hands!.

 

So you are saying that child abuse was a regular thing at the Sunderland matches?

 

Is nobody going to discuss the child abuse at the Sunderland matches????

Is this not as big a story as a Newcastle supporter saying 'scummy mackem bastards'? You all couldn't get enough of that one, but hey, let's sweep child abuse at Sunderland matches, under the carpet

 

In the 1940s and '50s, yes. But it wasn't 'abuse', you see. Kids knew them, and had the choice of where to stand. Even if you didn't notice one of them at first, you could always walk away, no harm done. I didn't fancy it, but I've no gripe with that old guy. When you think, there were about 25 home games in a season, they must have totted up some 'killings'.

 

Never heard or seen it myself.

 

Yes, it was.

It's disturbing that you don't think that was child abuse.

 

There's a Sunderland fan witnessed it and speaking about it a few posts up from yours.

 

No, those old guys didn't abuse anybody. What they did was present the kid with the opportunity. But the kid always made the final choice. I'm not justifying the Savile sort of thing, where kids are fiddled with in their prams, or are bullied into it at school. In cases like that, the kid is trapped, and it's straightforward wrong. I totally agree. But all I had to do was walk away - simple.

 

Yes but I wasn't born in the 1950's mate.

 

I'm alerting people, authorities, everybody, to this post. I've took a screenshot of it.

It's child abuse, and it needs brought to light. What if there's people out there that have never been able to speak about it, we could open a door for them and perhaps closure if an investigation takes place.

I'm not going to stand by and watch everybody target a Newcastle supporter for mouthing a few bad words, but then all the lads on here going quiet over child abuse at Roker Park. It's not on.

 

What the hell are you going to say? It's sixty-plus years ago. Those old guys will be dead - there's your "closure". And no kid was "abused" without agreeing to it right from the start. I made my choice and other kids made their choice. If "abuse" took place at all, they are responsible for taking the 'opportunity', and probably laugh it off as a bit of naughty mischief now.

 

That's what you aren't understanding.

They could be grown men now who's heads are messed up and this could help them come out and speak about it.

I've took screenshots, I think that's enough to start an investigation, tbh.

 

What. The. ****.

69 or 6900 years ago, touching kids was not and never will be ok.

How the **** can ou say 'they had the opportunity' that statement in itself is ****ibg shameful.

 

Have to agree with 83 on this one. To try and suggest that what is alleged to have happened isn't abuse, if it did happen, just beggars belief. Can't believe anyone would feel genuinely that that isn't abuse and if they do it speaks volumes about them as Nads says regardless of when it happened.

 

Yes I agree.
Any **** kiddie fiddles should be shot.
Just I never witnessed it at Roker Park.

 

I have to agree with 83 too, that if those things did occur, it was child abuse, whether the kids involved even realised it or not. They shouldn't have been subject to that sort of perverse attention at their age.

Where I disagree with 83 is his proposal to bring into the attention of the authorities, if and only if it was as Relic suggested, 60 odd years ago.

The guilty ones are long gone and the victims may or may not want their experiences brought to the surface again after all this time. But if you feel strong enough about it @Safc83 its your prerogative.

Just take a while to think about it mate.

And just to add, all they'd have to go on is Relics post, nowt much else.

 

I think they'll be much more concerned about their pensions by now.

Enjoy your screenshots and investigations, mate, but don't refer anyone to me because I simply won't discuss it with them. Frankly, I think the biggest curse facing society today is do-gooders.

 

Mate, I'm not sure what you are getting at.

Do-gooders? Applicable to child abusers? You're way of here pal.

 

Here's a little story, One upon a time, nobody gave a **** about sexually abused children, the press took little interest, it wasn't a priority for the police. There was no cameras in parks and no nonce entrapment for vigilantly public.

Nobody cared. As such perverts could operate pretty much in free view. Not just at Sunderland matches, at any football match, at any park, any church or school.

In other words, Roker Park wasn't special, it was everywhere.