Match Day Thread 2016/17 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

Exactly also teams who are 1 down may attack more leaving more space behind teams 2 or more down may lose intensity etc as they feel game is already lost.

Not sure it's a big enough stick to beat lukaku with but it's clearly nonsensical to dismiss it as a consideration.

 

So if your 3-0 down then score they may as well say it's still 3-0 until you score 3 as they won't count?

Great logic as was your mate saying 67% of Lukaku's goals Monday didn't count as they wern't the ones that won the game ha ha...

So to clear things up in Kopite land Is Lukaku's goal tally for this season now 1 or 3 as If only winners or goals that ultimately earn points count I'm sure the golden boots probably gone to the wrong bloke a few times eh?

Fair play lol

 

Never said he was doing anything wrong. Just that id rather my striker score 15 goals in 15 1-0 wins than 20 goals in 20 2-1 defeats.

To to argue some goals aren't more important than others is totally ridiculous. Everyone knows that some are far more important, goals that give you 3 points are clearly more important than a consolation goal in a defeat.

On on your first point, that's the whole point. Yeah obviously you take the chance when it comes, but scoring in a 4-1 loss could be one of many ways. Score the first goal and then team lets you down, yup nothing forward can do there. Miss chances and then go 4-0 down and score a consolation goal. Stats say same thing, it's 4-1 and player X scored 1, but in 1 scenario his goal could have made a difference and was let down by defence, the other he game was lost and his goal means nothing anyway.

 

No one said it doesn't count FFs. Just saying some are more important. Like I said, would you rather a player score 15 goals in 15 1-0 wins, or 20 goals in 20 3-1 defeats? Quantity doesn't always matter, sometimes it's about when they are scored and that's he whole point!

 

Only no-one has said that

Obviously some goals are more important than others, just that the striker doesn't get a say in whether the impact of his goals ends up being the deciding factor.

 

You said earlier though some goals are easier to score because of pressure....

So if your 3-0 down at the chavs on the weekend and Sturridge nets to make it 3-1 how does he know that will be the last chance in the game therefore the goal is less important?
That's right he doesn't he thinks he may get another two....

That argument is absolute apples lol

 

Yes they have Astro stated 67% of Monday nights were meaningless...

 

Or to remove he defence element completely,

Player A scores 15 goals in 15 1-0 wings - earning team 45 points

Player B scored 20 goals. all 20 come in 10 2-0 wins, the other 5 games end 0-0 - earns team 35 points.

Player B scored more goals but some of Player A's goals were clearly more important as they won the team more points.

Simple, can't argue with it, case closed.

 

When any club look to buy a striker they look at who's scoring the most....Honestly it's not that hard is it?

 

They dont, and if they do, they're doing it wrong.

Temperament, how they cope under pressure. Can they perform when it matters. Way they score their goals

 

I think everybody's right.

 

Tobes you did say the salient point was that Lukaku's goals didn't add as many points as Benteke's because your defence couldn't maintain the lead. That wasn't the case though but we will have to just disagree on this like you said.

Can I just put out there a big thank you for the support you've given me recently. Being able to come on here and have a discussion, especially one like this where we are at complete opposites, is helping me gain a bit more confidence that I can get back to 'normal'.

 

Lead maybe should been clean sheet then mate, same difference.

You're welcome mate, and that genuinely means a lot to me that, I'm delighted that in some tiny daft way I've been able to help fella

 

It will look bad if Everton are the one to relegate David Moye's team. Return leg 25/02/2017. Everton vs Sunderland.

 

Hopefully the relegation places won't be sorted by February - keep the league interesting.

 

I think Moyes will eventually get it right there IF he's given enough time tbh Dribs.

They're very brittle at the minute though, and they crumpled like a cheap suit when we took the lead on Monday.

He's got a lot of work to do in order to save them, and judging from his body language in the dugout for the last 20 mins - he knows it as well.

He'll revert to type and get them parking the bus for a few weeks in the hope of scraping a couple of 0-0's or nicking a 1-0 from a set piece of a break. It won't be pretty that's for sure.

 

might i offer that lukaku is miserable at working and closing down so most of everton's defensive problems prob start with him

Seriously though.... suarez was a flat track bully according to some so really..... it all just banter really.

 

yeah and then you end up with Benteke

good player but not for us.Actually Ben & Lukaku were very similar players before his achilles injury.

 

You might do when picking a player in fantasy league but it the real world football is a bit more complicated than that.

 

Not a fan of the whole how many points does a goal win - purely subjective and hypothetical IMO.