Match Day Thread 2016/17 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

Don't want to be awkward here but, without the consolation the winner is irrelevant in those circumstances, it would go to goals scored in which case many irrelevant goals could count

 

I have never seen a goals that mattered stat on MOTD just goal difference

Please dont hurl abuse Lucaaas its a joke not really aimed at you just in general...

Come to think of it I have never seen any pundits heap praise on strikers who dont score but offer good hold up play etc? They get praise and all the plaudits for hitting the onion bag..Hhhhmmmmmmm opinions eh?

 

Consolation goals can get you the CL. Ask the mancs (the red ones).

With a good Lukaku they would have had CL instead of Europa football. So every goal counts

 

Can't remember seeing a manager run down the line sliding on his knees in front of the fans celebrating an injury time consolation goal screaming yes that's added one to our GD.
Clearly some goals are more important (and IMO harder to score) than others.

 

Its sime if an lfc player scores 3 this friday every goal is vital as at anytime someone coyld throw a goal in but lucky scoring 3 is not important as southeverton are mean at the back.

Lucky would be more impressive if he was a one chance in goal man frankly. He is in the air normally but not on the ground.

Hed also be impressive if he would shut his gob and play and not agitate for a move every week.

 

To be fair, men and woman that douse themselves in enough perfume / aftershave that you can smell them from 30 feet away, let alone sitting next to them need to be sent away. I don't want to smell you when I'm sitting next to you at work ty, if you have to spray yourself in that **** only do it so that its only people that are within an inch of you that can actually smell as they obviously want to get close enough to you in first place.

 

Mainly Tobes & diego.... In fact tends to be the people that are constantly talking about him

 

A definite red then?

 

Without the one he scored to win you the game, you'd have lost the league by 2 points

 

Red? Guy should have been shot for wearing so Much after shave. I could smell it from my tv! Suarwz was trying to do everyone a favour.

 

got him there. he should have said the extra goal in a 4-0 drubbing on the consolation goal in a 4-1 hamming for yourselves are woth the same to GD.

On the few times GD matters.

 

The BS are doing well

 

I don't agree. The amount of goals means nothing if they aren't helping the team. Coming in with a goal when you're 3-0 up or ... scoring the goal in a 1-0 win - which striker do you want? In Lukaku you have the first one, most of his goals last season were when you were already in a winning position, hence his goals not getting you points. A striker not making a difference to the team 's standing isn't adding value therefore not returning on the investment made in him.

You said '' Benteke's goals counted for more as you managed to defend the lead, that's the salient point.'' It wasn't the salient point though as I showed when I pointed out that the majority of Lukaku's goals came in games you won [without him scoring the winning goal] he only scored in 3 of the games you lost and in only one of those games did he score first. So only one game all season did the team need to defend from his lead. You can't have it both ways. Following it up with ''This season you're already seeing that Koeman has addressed the defensive frailties left by Brown Shoes. So therefore by default Lukaku's goals will result in more points on the board if he achieves the same run rate this season.'' - is illogical

 

We'll have to disagree mate, as I think it's a daft argument.

A striker is on the pitch to put the ball in the net as his prime objective. What effect his goals ultimately have on the clubs standing is dictated by the defensive capabilities of the side as a whole and notably the backline and the keeper.

Whether he scores first and gives the lead or equalises and the team ends up losing 2-1 say, makes no difference whatsoever to his effectiveness as a striker, whether he scored in games we lost or games we drew or won, doesn't matter a jot, as the rest is beyond his control. Lukaku scored 25 times last season in a side that massively underperformed, primarily at the back.

He finished the season as the PL's 4th highest scorer on 18 - only Aguero, Kane and Vardy scored more, and they were all playing in sides who finished in the top 4.

My last comment wasn't illogical btw, as if he scores the same number of goals and we concede less, we'll win more games and lose less.... over the course of a season....therefore gain more points.

 

For his age, I don't think anyone can argue against his goal record.

 

Exactly.

He's got weaknesses in his game, but his goal scoring record for a lad of 23 who's already got 4 full PL seasons under his belt is unsurpassed in the PL era.

 

Stupid to disagree that scoring 1 goal in a 1-0 win isn't more important than scoring the 4th in a 4-0 win or the 1 a 4-1 defeat though... Apart from if you're Diego who think a plus 1 GD is more important than 2 or 3 more points and that was the original whole point of this discussion.

yes a forward is there to score goals, but it's easier to score a 1 on 1 or a penalty when you're 3-0 up than if it's 0-0 and trying to win the game. Pressure is always a factor

 

At least Kolo turned up for Celtic last night using dat crossbar rebound defence

http://www.joe.co.uk/sport/kolo-tou...ovised-defending-lights-up-the-nou-camp/85880

 

So you've knocked your 'salient point' on the head?

Yes a striker's job is to score, goes without saying, but I want my striker to take the game by the scruff of the neck, dictate the outcome not just shrug 'oh the defence let us down'. Go the extra mile, win despite the defence. Lukaku hasn't shown he can do this, he scored when you were winning not when you needed him. You need our philosophy - you score 3, we'll score 4. Surely you're not happy with Lukaku scoring loads and loads of goals and finishing 11th? You must want his goals to count for something.

That comment was illogical because if he scores a sackful of goals again they have to be important goals and not 'pointless' goals which has been his m.o. no matter what the defence does. You will concede less with a better defence, that's obvious but whether Lukaku can provide winning goals remains to be seen, although he's already off to a good start and I've never said he can't do it, just that he hasn't so far.

 

Oh ffs, if you're the striker playing in a team that leaks goals like a sieve and you find yourself 4-0 down, and you've not had a sniff of a chance, and then you finally get an opportunity and slot to make it 4-1, what has the striker done wrong?

The entire premise that you can decide that some goals 'count' and others somehow don't, was dreamt up by astro to cover his embarrassment over the Benteke vs Lukaku bet thread from last season. To try and argue that a striker who scored 10 has somehow done better than one who scored 25 was truly ludicrous.