The EU debate - Part III

I went to grammar school as well mate and my experience was similar, but it never felt quite right, as we were getting a far better education than the kids I knew who ended up at the Comps.

 

The changes in recent secondary education are quite interesting. It's no longer a case of kids being fixed in secondary school from 11 to 16. Any increase in grammar school needs to include flexibility for late developers and those who don't progress.

My son did three years at a secondary school, then two years at at a University Technical College specialising in computing and engineering before moving to the grammar school. I quite like the ability of kids to move towards apprenticeship or academic routes when working out their futures.

Perhaps Grammar schools could move to the same 14-16 age range of the UTCs

 

They could've taught you how to spell grammar, couldn't they?

 

Faith schools should be ****ing banned. Awful idea.

 

I don't really see why. I can't speak for other faiths but some good jewish schools around me, private and not.

 

They tend to get good results, as they're allowed to be selective about pupils and rules.
That's part of the problem.
Religious segregation is the other obvious one.

 

Not only should they be banned, but anyone caught teaching faith should be hung upside down by the ankles and used as a pinata.

Religion is a burden to the advancement of the human race. But we are, luckily, slowly eradicating it.
Like Racism, religion needs to be breed out of a culture, with further education and nurturing.
Its happening, slowly but surely

 

Spot on indoctrination is wrong on any level. Ban them all!

 

And then we will all be moral upright citizens?

They're is a lot that different faiths teach that is good for society.

I for one do not want to be further nurtured until my faith is diluted out of me. I am grateful to it for what it has taught me.

 

Its not about morality, its about REALITY.
There are a lot of faiths that teach good things, and do good things.
None of them are necessary though, religion is not required to have a moral code, thats just called not being a ****.

As we are starting to get an idea as to the reality behind our existence and our universe, it makes little sense to cling on to the lies and myths taught by our ancestors to placate the populace of old.
Hundreds of years ago, when we had no idea what the sun was, what the stars were, why there was night and day, what caused rain and snow, it drove us crazy, curious species that we are, so religion was required then to placate the common folk, give them a reason to live and to scare them in to living a good life.
But, to quote Rust Cohle "If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then that person is a piece of ****"

 

I struggle with the concept of a god as if an all powerful spirit or whatever is so loving then why do so many terrible things happen to innocent and good people while some evil people prosper and benefit from good fortune?

Doesn't make sense to me so I can't buy into it.

However, everyone has the right to make up their own mind and I don't judge anyone for choosing to believe in Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism or whatever else floats their boat.

 

Faiths also teach some horrible, ****ty things, but that's not my objection to faith schools.
They're discriminatory, by their very nature and divide children into unnecessary groups.
They also take the piss with their selection processes and funding.

 

Same, I hate religion, not the religious.
Like I said, its something they are brought up with and taught as children.
My brother attends church every Sunday ffs!

 

I linked this the other day, but will do so again, as it eloquently, and succinctly sums up my feeling on religion:

 

Your indoctrinated. There is no one in this world that isn't. You grew up being influenced by what is around you and you was taught the thoughts of your parents. Their thoughts are built through their beliefs. Who says that is the best way?

 

Epicuras' Problem of Evil. Actually predates Christianity by centuries, quite amusingly.

 

People also teach horrible things without the influence of faith.

 

Yep. I wouldn't want them influencing kids, either.

 

"My god is better than your god"
No "My god is better than your god"

**** off or I will kill you "My god is better than your god"

No need for religion in the21st century, it was just made up to keep the peasants in their place.

 

Going back a long way admittedly but - my parents moved from one part of Leicester to another to run an Off-Licence - the area we moved to was the Saffron Lane - let's just say it is fairly colourful!

My family were Catholics and so me and the other kids in the wider family went to a Catholic primary school - which, by pure coincidence, was the nearest school to where we lived before they moved to take on the business. They decided that I would stay in the catholic primary school rather than moving me to the nearest school on the Saffron Lane - primarily to avoid disruption for us at an early age, us being settled in the school. The teachers were a mix of professionals and Nuns - they were pretty big on discipline but certainly no hint of any negativity to any other race creed or colour.

My class was made up predominantly of Irish surnames, with a few poles, spanish and english - they certainly did not come from wealthy backgrounds to say the least.- in fact, given that mix back in the late 60s early 70s, somewhat the opposite.

We had a class of 40 and of those 22 passed the 11 plus and went on to the grammar schools

The school I would have gone to on the Saffron Lane had 2 classes of 40. Out of those 80 kids, 2 passed the 11 plus and 2 others were 'border-line'.

Growing up, most of my mates were from the Saffron Lane area - there was nothing much wrong with them intelligence wise - the schools were just crap and, as such, their life choices and job prospects were restricted - I was the first in my family to go to University - if my parents had switched schools for me I am convinced that wouldn't have happened.

I haven't been to church since I was a kid (apart from weddings and funerals) - that's my choice - but I'll always be grateful for the formative education I received - So for me there is nothing wrong with 'faith' schools as long as they are run properly and do not preach any form of intolerance.

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